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Old 11-02-2019, 05:09 PM
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Start another thread if you want that discussion stack_Y. Just try sticking to point on the topic of this thread.
One thread on socialist failure is quite enough.

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Old 11-02-2019, 05:19 PM
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Comic genius All I have done here is ask why people like stack_Y and co. consider Venezuela socialist. All I have gotten is personal abuse and noise. Nothing unusual there.

If you want to know what socialism is defined as, look it up. You will find anger and bitterness do not feature in the definitions provided by most sources.

And if you want a proper discussion, try initiating one without twisting words, ridiculing, or attempting to change topic. Doing that only invites a response in kind - which is in effect the dynamic of most discussions here.
Look I doubt there was or ever will be a country that would be considered 100% socialist or 100% capitalist.

However there are policies which would fall under either doctrine. Bearing this in mind we can conclude depending on whatever policies a country enacts their degree of either, and I think it is fair to say the policies enacted by the Chazev/Maduro governments are more socialist relative to most other countries. Similarly you could say the US is more capitalist than many others. So basically we have relative capitalism or relative socialism.

I reckon you think differently but I think there always should be a mix of both policies what the optimum mix is, who knows? When people on here decry socialism that does not mean they don't agree with social welfare programmes, free health care etc only they disagree with a pure socialist model, you would probably find most people would also disagree with a pure capitalist model where everyone was left to fend for themselves without any social supports. It is the level of these supports that people may debate, are they too high, too low etc and only over time by trial and error may we ever stumble upon the right level.
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:36 PM
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Maduro conducting military exercises and says the reports of a humanitarian crisis is a 'fabrication'.


Venezuela has a socialist party in power. It is a basket case.

SlobY can try to perform mental acrobatics to dodge reality but the likes of him and professional fuckhead Paul Murphy are an embarrassment.
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:45 PM
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Look I doubt there was or ever will be a country that would be considered 100% socialist or 100% capitalist.

However there are policies which would fall under either doctrine. Bearing this in mind we can conclude depending on whatever policies a country enacts their degree of either, and I think it is fair to say the policies enacted by the Chazev/Maduro governments are more socialist relative to most other countries. Similarly you could say the US is more capitalist than many others. So basically we have relative capitalism or relative socialism.

I reckon you think differently but I think there always should be a mix of both policies what the optimum mix is, who knows? When people on here decry socialism that does not mean they don't agree with social welfare programmes, free health care etc only they disagree with a pure socialist model, you would probably find most people would also disagree with a pure capitalist model where everyone was left to fend for themselves without any social supports. It is the level of these supports that people may debate, are they too high, too low etc and only over time by trial and error may we ever stumble upon the right level.
Excellent post.
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:46 PM
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https://youtu.be/R_2sf6qnuNU
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Old 12-02-2019, 09:59 PM
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Look I doubt there was or ever will be a country that would be considered 100% socialist or 100% capitalist.

However there are policies which would fall under either doctrine. Bearing this in mind we can conclude depending on whatever policies a country enacts their degree of either, and I think it is fair to say the policies enacted by the Chazev/Maduro governments are more socialist relative to most other countries. Similarly you could say the US is more capitalist than many others. So basically we have relative capitalism or relative socialism.

I reckon you think differently but I think there always should be a mix of both policies what the optimum mix is, who knows? When people on here decry socialism that does not mean they don't agree with social welfare programmes, free health care etc only they disagree with a pure socialist model, you would probably find most people would also disagree with a pure capitalist model where everyone was left to fend for themselves without any social supports. It is the level of these supports that people may debate, are they too high, too low etc and only over time by trial and error may we ever stumble upon the right level.
Well done on reading my mind!!

Good post, people love their labels, makes it easy for us to compartmentalise things but they are catch alls and the intricacy of the situation is never actually discussed because we are too caught up on one person being labelled xyz and the other abc!!
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:21 PM
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Orla Guerin on BBC news intweviewing Il Presidente Maduro as he denys hyper inflation,mass emigration and people going through rubbish for food.

Orla shows people gpibg through black bin liners for scraps.

Maduro says the U.S.is being run by the K.K.K.

Orwellian fruitloop
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Old 13-02-2019, 10:10 AM
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Venezuela's Guaido vows to bring in food next week, says Maduro 'will have no choice but to leave'

https://www.thejournal.ie/venezuelas...91271-Feb2019/
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Old 13-02-2019, 11:34 AM
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Maduro conducting military exercises and says the reports of a humanitarian crisis is a 'fabrication'.


Venezuela has a socialist party in power. It is a basket case.

SlobY can try to perform mental acrobatics to dodge reality but the likes of him and professional fuckhead Paul Murphy are an embarrassment.
Just like Ken Livingstone, Corbyn etc, idiots...


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Old 13-02-2019, 03:55 PM
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Maduro conducting military exercises and says the reports of a humanitarian crisis is a 'fabrication'.


Venezuela has a socialist party in power. It is a basket case.

SlobY can try to perform mental acrobatics to dodge reality but the likes of him and professional fuckhead Paul Murphy are an embarrassment.
You are truly clueless. No idea what your words even mean.
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