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Old 20-12-2017, 07:39 PM
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I think there is a blood test than can give a definite diagnosis but I don't know any details about it as we didn't have it.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregna...-syndrome.aspx

The blood test from the mother and the neck test are combined first to give an indication and then cells from the foetus can be tested to give a definite answer.
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Old 21-12-2017, 01:10 PM
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This was afaik the first time a baby with such a deformity survived. Fair dues to the baby and the surgeons but the possibility of miracles occurring is not a sound basis for making laws.
True, and if the complex surgery was not available here in Ireland the condition
could be classified as a "fatal foetal abnormality" and under Billy Kellehers proposal babies like Vanellope could be aborted/ killed right up to point of birth
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Old 21-12-2017, 04:00 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong but I think most reasonable people wouldn't be in favour of abortion right up to the point of birth. Isn't there enough science available to make very good calls on the likely health of both mother and child by the time the prospective mother is 12 weeks into her pregnancy?
Whatever about pre-12 weeks I must admit I'd be uncomfortable with post-12 week abortions
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Old 21-12-2017, 04:41 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong but I think most reasonable people wouldn't be in favour of abortion right up to the point of birth. Isn't there enough science available to make very good calls on the likely health of both mother and child by the time the prospective mother is 12 weeks into her pregnancy?
Whatever about pre-12 weeks I must admit I'd be uncomfortable with post-12 week abortions
I don't think the tests cover all eventualities and some things like infections might not appear until later in the pregnancy.

It's a tough call if the choice is ending it in the womb deliberately or giving birth and watching it die.

Sometimes there are no easy answers
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Old 21-12-2017, 05:41 PM
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I don't think the tests cover all eventualities and some things like infections might not appear until later in the pregnancy.

It's a tough call if the choice is ending it in the womb deliberately or giving birth and watching it die.

Sometimes there are no easy answers
There is no easy answers but the the rabid supporters on both sides can't see that.
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Old 21-12-2017, 06:13 PM
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True, and if the complex surgery was not available here in Ireland the condition
could be classified as a "fatal foetal abnormality" and under Billy Kellehers proposal babies like Vanellope could be aborted/ killed right up to point of birth
Thanks a lot Billy
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Old 21-12-2017, 06:59 PM
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True, and if the complex surgery was not available here in Ireland the condition
could be classified as a "fatal foetal abnormality" and under Billy Kellehers proposal babies like Vanellope could be aborted/ killed right up to point of birth
Link to his proposal?
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Old 21-12-2017, 07:10 PM
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This was afaik the first time a baby with such a deformity survived. Fair dues to the baby and the surgeons but the possibility of miracles occurring is not a sound basis for making laws.
Spot on. Parents in this position should have a choice. 90 percent are still born and the rest die with in days. The likes of Liathroidi here have absolute no respect for parents in this predicament, typical of some of the rabid anti abortion people.
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Old 21-12-2017, 09:11 PM
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I think there is a blood test than can give a definite diagnosis but I don't know any details about it as we didn't have it.
It’s from a company called Illumina and is called “Verifi.”
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Old 22-12-2017, 09:23 AM
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Spot on. Parents in this position should have a choice. 90 percent are still born and the rest die with in days. The likes of Liathroidi here have absolute no respect for parents in this predicament, typical of some of the rabid anti abortion people.
Problem is from what I've seen there are very entrenched people on both sides of this debate. Using terms like "rabid" merely serves to add heat rather than light
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