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Old 07-03-2017, 01:10 PM
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Default United Ireland, Possible?

with brexit and the recent elections?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7615756.html
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And if possible, desirable?
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Possible, desirable but steady as she goes. There's a way to do this and a load of ways not to.
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Possible, desirable but steady as she goes. There's a way to do this and a load of ways not to.
or affordable?
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or affordable?
We are having this debate in the CA forum. To a degree, affordability should not come into it, but those against it will always bring it up. Personally I think an all Ireland economy would flourish and per the discussion we are having in the CA forum there would be a 36 billion dividend to unity.
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Old 07-03-2017, 01:29 PM
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We are having this debate in the CA forum. To a degree, affordability should not come into it, but those against it will always bring it up. Personally I think an all Ireland economy would flourish and per the discussion we are having in the CA forum there would be a 36 billion dividend to unity.
Plus a very disaffected British nationalist minority, some of whom have guns and bombs and are not reluctant to use them.
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Old 07-03-2017, 01:37 PM
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Plus a very disaffected British nationalist minority, some of whom have guns and bombs and are not reluctant to use them.
The same minority who have for 40 years chanted the mantra that they are democrats and that political violence is unacceptable in all its forms? The same minority who treated the minority in the gerrymandered entity they live in like 2nd class citizens for much of the 20th century including allowing the pogroms of the late 60's and early 70's?

Point being, if and when unity happens, we will need to respect the culture, traditions, holidays, languages and passport entitlements of that minority. Because republicans do not want to do to unionists what unionists did to them. Because there is room in 2017 or 2020 or whenever it happens for both traditions on the island with parity and esteem for all. Flag changes, anthem changes, public holiday changes - it's all up for grabs when the negotiation on unity happens. That is why there is now an opportunity to build on Brexit and last week's elections by just starting the conversation. A white paper on unity in the 21st century wouldn't go astray but won't come from this government.

There is a new Ireland in the offing if intelligent and forward thinking people can steer the direction properly over the next few years and especially when the Scots go independent.
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We are having this debate in the CA forum. To a degree, affordability should not come into it, but those against it will always bring it up. Personally I think an all Ireland economy would flourish and per the discussion we are having in the CA forum there would be a 36 billion dividend to unity.
That figure was based on a lot of assumptions that may or may not stack up.
The two main ones being harmonization of tax rates which will mean more foreign investment in the North, probably true, but will it come at the expense of the South and thus net net not yield any incremental gain over what would have been invested in any case?
Also secondly they assume the productivity gap will be closed, not sure why NI workers will be become more productive combined with the South as opposed to their current situation as part of the UK.

For the record I'd be in favour of a united Ireland but I'd be dubious of their figures. It took Germany 15 years to bring East Germany up to speed (probably still not fully there) and whilst there is no doubt they are stronger now there was a huge cost involved and they were coming at it from a position of far greater strength than we are.
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That figure was based on a lot of assumptions that may or may not stack up.
The two main ones being harmonization of tax rates which will mean more foreign investment in the North, probably true, but will it come at the expense of the South and thus net net not yield any incremental gain over what would have been invested in any case?
Also secondly they assume the productivity gap will be closed, not sure why NI workers will be become more productive combined with the South as opposed to their current situation as part of the UK.

For the record I'd be in favour of a united Ireland but I'd be dubious of their figures. It took Germany 15 years to bring East Germany up to speed (probably still not fully there) and whilst there is no doubt they are stronger now there was a huge cost involved and they were coming at it from a position of far greater strength than we are.
As a matter of interest who would you be equating to Eastern Germany should NI and the 26 recombine? I don't think even the run down shankill road is as bad as EG used to be, nor Tallaght either.
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That figure was based on a lot of assumptions that may or may not stack up.
The two main ones being harmonization of tax rates which will mean more foreign investment in the North, probably true, but will it come at the expense of the South and thus net net not yield any incremental gain over what would have been invested in any case?
Also secondly they assume the productivity gap will be closed, not sure why NI workers will be become more productive combined with the South as opposed to their current situation as part of the UK.

For the record I'd be in favour of a united Ireland but I'd be dubious of their figures. It took Germany 15 years to bring East Germany up to speed (probably still not fully there) and whilst there is no doubt they are stronger now there was a huge cost involved and they were coming at it from a position of far greater strength than we are.
In reality it would be very costly to this state unless the EU & what is left of the Uk can afford to finance the 6 counties for about 20 years on a sliding scale. The pension requirements up there are huge alone. If a hard Brexit happens the perilous UK finances will not be able to fuly fund the North anyway as well as the economic affects of leaving the single market.

That and trying to placate about 1 million + angry Unionists.

Of course all this is depending on a vote where the majority are willing to throw their lot in with the South and more and more Nationalists / Catholics / Protestants see themselves as "Northern Irish" rather than simply "Irish" or "Bratash"

The DUP could suddenly modernise and ditch their backward anti-Gay, abortion rights, gay wedding cake and pro-Brexit stance and get with the times as the younger generation will continue to reject their stance on many social issues.

What is in it for Cork?

Nothing, as the Dublin - Belfast axis would mop up all the infrastructure and investment spend.

Cork gets little enough as it is.
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