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Old 07-03-2006, 12:07 AM
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Mediated by archbishop desmond tutu on BBC 2.

Anyone been watching this show? I just caught the final episode tonight in which Michael Stone meets the widow and brother of a man who he was convicted of killing.

This is fergal keane's work, and I have to say its probably the most upsetting piece of television I've seen in quite some time. Watching the family sit across the table from this cold and hard man who still couldn't really see the error of his ways felt almost sick at times.

In the end the widow shook stone's hand and nearly collapsed as she did so, thats some pretty remarkable courage.

Look here for more info..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4723320.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/4758802.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/?id=facing_truth

You should watch the interview with Tutu on the website there too, hes an inspirational man and to hear him talk as he does about his hope for Ireland would almost make you believe an end is possible for it.

Does anyone know where I can download or get the first 2 episodes in the series? I really want to see them now after seeing the last one
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Old 07-03-2006, 12:06 PM
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There was an elemet of grief porn to it, I thought. That said, I still watched all of last night's episode. Stone's mixture of self-regard and self-pity was a tad irritating, to say the least.
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Old 07-03-2006, 12:11 PM
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There was an elemet of grief porn to it, I thought. That said, I still watched all of last night's episode. Stone's mixture of self-regard and self-pity was a tad irritating, to say the least.

I had to turn over. As you say it was like 'grief porn'. I dont really know what they expect to get from it apart from people tuning in to get some sort of a kick from it. I find these programmes are similar to books written about 'The Krays' and other assorted murderers.
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Old 07-03-2006, 12:12 PM
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There was football on so I only caught the last 5 minutes. I'm glad I didn't watch the whole thing though, from what I saw.
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Old 07-03-2006, 12:38 PM
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grief porn is a good description.

But I think the show was excellent, yes it was somewhat uncomfortable and voyeuristic, but this kind of thing has worked in South Africa and getting people to sit across the table from each other in this way is a remarkable achievement in helping victims gain closure.

I think behaviour like this is what is needed i.e. to confront the past once and for all and then let it go, and the fact this was televised I see was a way to show all the victims/perpetrators how it can be possible to let go of hatred and resentment and try to free yourself from grief.

People have recognised that this kind of thing is necessary before, people like eamon collins, who committed barbaric acts but was able with time to see the folly of his actions and try to salvage some semblance of a life as a former terrorist.

Mind you stone was in no way in the same mindset as him, he hasn't learnt much, though the interview on the website I gave above between fergal keane and him was very interesting. Essentially in the end he says he believes he will die by the sword he's lived by i.e. dissident republicans will probably kill him, and he hopes they do so with the same efficiency he used to. Chilling words.

Info on eamon collins for those that don't know him:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_I...209158,00.html

I read his book, it was excellent although sure as hell not easy to read, coupled with the tragedy of knowing he would later be killed for writing it.
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Old 07-03-2006, 12:55 PM
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I hope with all my heart "dissident" Republicans don't do the momunmentally stupid thing as killing that bastard. Better he die bloated, sick and obscure than make him any kind of a sick martyr to his bigoted cause. I just wish he'd stop fathering dole yobs. It's 12 now I believe. How can any human with any redeeming qualities brag about all the children they've created and don't care for or support?
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I hope with all my heart "dissident" Republicans don't do the momunmentally stupid thing as killing that bastard. Better he die bloated, sick and obscure than make him any kind of a sick martyr to his bigoted cause. I just wish he'd stop fathering dole yobs. It's 12 now I believe. How can any human with any redeeming qualities brag about all the children they've created and don't care for or support?
hes got 9 kids and according to last nights show and the interview with fergal keane he doesn't care for them or support them because (a) they or the mothers disowned him or (b) because he's putting them at security risk if he meets with them.

Terrorists, be they loyalist or republican, active or 'retired' will always be there in northern ireland. I'm not going to get preachy but a way must be found to coexist with these people once they put down the guns if any peaceful future for the place is to be found.
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Old 07-03-2006, 01:04 PM
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I hope with all my heart "dissident" Republicans don't do the momunmentally stupid thing as killing that bastard. Better he die bloated, sick and obscure than make him any kind of a sick martyr to his bigoted cause. I just wish he'd stop fathering dole yobs. It's 12 now I believe. How can any human with any redeeming qualities brag about all the children they've created and don't care for or support?
Fair point. But how long will he last if loyalists start to kill taxi drivers like they did the other night. Still you are right a bullet in the head is too good for him. Let him live out his useless life.
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hes got 9 kids and according to last nights show and the interview with fergal keane he doesn't care for them or support them because (a) they or the mothers disowned him or (b) because he's putting them at security risk if he meets with them.

Terrorists, be they loyalist or republican, active or 'retired' will always be there in northern ireland. I'm not going to get preachy but a way must be found to coexist with these people once they put down the guns if any peaceful future for the place is to be found.

He still has legal and financial responsibilities. Quite frankly I can't think of any child who has been killed because of their fathers or mothers involvement on either sides activities. And there has been plenty of opportunities.
And although I disagree with the term "terrorist" I completely agree with your sentiment.
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