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Old 14-03-2019, 11:26 PM
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Holles St advertising two Gynie posts for Doctors who have no conscientious objections to performing abortions. When queried about this a spokesman said that the posts were specifically for delivery of the HSE abortion services. They must be having difficultly in persuading their existing doctors to become abortionists.
That doesn't follow. Presumably their existing doctors were busy enough before this new service was introduced and they need more doctors to be able to provide this new service.
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Old 15-03-2019, 12:21 AM
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That doesn't follow. Presumably their existing doctors were busy enough before this new service was introduced and they need more doctors to be able to provide this new service.
Really? Do you think most obstetricians would be happy to provide an on demand abortion service ie become dedicated abortionists as the spokesperson for the hospital indicated that the two posts were specifically to provide abortion services.
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Old 15-03-2019, 12:33 AM
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Really? Do you think most obstetricians would be happy to provide an on demand abortion service ie become dedicated abortionists as the spokesperson for the hospital indicated that the two posts were specifically to provide abortion services.
Can you give a link for that please?
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Old 15-03-2019, 12:41 AM
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That doesn't follow. Presumably their existing doctors were busy enough before this new service was introduced and they need more doctors to be able to provide this new service.
The advert stated.....
"The post-holders will provide in-patient, on-call service and out-patient care, along with teaching, administration and management duties, which, as of 2019, includes elective termination of pregnancy services and the post-holders will be expected to contribute to this new service as part of their practice plan."

The spokesman from the NMH said ....
"These particular additional posts are being funded specifically from a financial allocation to the hospital from the HSE for the provision of termination of pregnancy services and are for individuals willing to contribute to the provision of these services."

Note that the spokesman didn't say " that the posts were specifically for delivery of the HSE abortion services" as LiarLiar said.
Small balls is just catching up with Feb's news a month later

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37825483.html
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Old 15-03-2019, 12:44 AM
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Really? Do you think most obstetricians would be happy to provide an on demand abortion service ie become dedicated abortionists as the spokesperson for the hospital indicated that the two posts were specifically to provide abortion services.
So this isn't true at all then. The posts advertised state that one of the services that the applicant would be obliged to perform are terminations but not that the only role they would have would be to provide terminations.
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Old 15-03-2019, 12:44 AM
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The advert stated.....
"The post-holders will provide in-patient, on-call service and out-patient care, along with teaching, administration and management duties, which, as of 2019, includes elective termination of pregnancy services and the post-holders will be expected to contribute to this new service as part of their practice plan."

The spokesman from the NMH said ....
"These particular additional posts are being funded specifically from a financial allocation to the hospital from the HSE for the provision of termination of pregnancy services and are for individuals willing to contribute to the provision of these services."

Note that the spokesman didn't say " that the posts were specifically for delivery of the HSE abortion services" as LiarLiar said.
Small balls is just catching up with Feb's news a month later

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37825483.html
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Old 15-03-2019, 01:01 AM
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No bother as you can see the jobs advertised are being funded from a specific allocation but the successful applicants will have other duties. Best to take agenda drivel no ball's posts with a pinch of salt.
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Old 15-03-2019, 01:05 AM
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The spokesman from the NMH said ....
"These particular additional posts are being funded specifically from a financial allocation to the hospital from the HSE for the provision of termination of pregnancy services and are for individuals willing to contribute to the provision of these services."

I think that is pretty specific and I think that you suggest that doctors have a cavalier attitude to the killing of the unborn
[B]That doesn't follow. Presumably their existing doctors were busy enough before this new service was introduced and they need more doctors to be able to provide this new service.
/B]
where you appear to suggest that the workload of the existing doctors is the reason why they are not becoming abortionists.
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Old 15-03-2019, 01:18 AM
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The spokesman from the NMH said ....
"These particular additional posts are being funded specifically from a financial allocation to the hospital from the HSE for the provision of termination of pregnancy services and are for individuals willing to contribute to the provision of these services."

I think that is pretty specific and I think that you suggest that doctors have a cavalier attitude to the killing of the unborn
[B]That doesn't follow. Presumably their existing doctors were busy enough before this new service was introduced and they need more doctors to be able to provide this new service.
/B]
where you appear to suggest that the workload of the existing doctors is the reason why they are not becoming abortionists.
The sole purpose of those jobs is not to perform abortions, as you claimed it was.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that the Hollis Street obgyns are refusing to perform terminations?
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Old 15-03-2019, 07:58 AM
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The sole purpose of those jobs is not to perform abortions, as you claimed it was.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that the Hollis Street obgyns are refusing to perform terminations?
In fairness I think you are splitting hairs. If there was an advert for a heart surgeon I'd imagine it would also include, training of junior doctors a bit of admin, counselling patients etc, but all of these duties would be related to heart surgery and are expected of anyone performing the role, but you know we still call him/her a heart surgeon.

Therefore it is reasonable to assume that all the ancillary parts of the above job spec are all related to abortion services, so in essence they are looking for an abortionist as Liathroid Beag likes to call them.

However, I do think he takes a huge leap with his assumption they are refusing to perform them in Hollis street,for example if they opened a new burns unit and advertised for extra nurses would he conclude the current crop of nurses are refusing to treat burns victims?

Because that is exactly what he has done in the above case, based on nothing more than he wants it to be the case as opposed what most logical people would conclude, i.e extra roles means extra staff and the only way to get the required staff levels is to advertise the positions.
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