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Old 02-01-2013, 12:25 PM
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TLC, I've got the Google agreement on my desktop that I signed early last year, it's pretty clear that there's very strong restrictions on redistribution.

Now, signature of that agreement might only be for early release partners (and I work on early releases) but free and open it ain't.
Look at the license page I linked, AOSP is released under the Apache Software Licence. I don't know what you have on your desk, but I'm going to go with what is publicly stated by Google. Like I said, your agreement is possibly for redistributing something else (more than likely the Google apps such as Gmail, Play Store, Search/Now etc. which are not free and open).

AOSP does not require the signing of any form of license agreement, just look at Cyanogen Mod?
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:35 PM
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Look at the license page I linked, AOSP is released under the Apache Software Licence. I don't know what you have on your desk, but I'm going to go with what is publicly stated by Google. Like I said, your agreement is possibly for redistributing something else (more than likely the Google apps such as Gmail, Play Store, Search/Now etc. which are not free and open).

AOSP does not require the signing of any form of license agreement, just look at Cyanogen Mod?
Hmm, well, perhaps they include the Play elements and some other more proprietary bits.

They have tried to stop some of the shenanigans that ave gone on with Amazon simply taking Android and reworking it into their own OS.

I'm a hardware guy in any case, learning about this shit. All I want to do is give the damned software to customers...
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:44 PM
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Hmm, well, perhaps they include the Play elements and some other more proprietary bits.
I'd say that's the most likely explanation. I'm almost certain you would have to sign a fairly impenetrable
agreement to redistribute any of the Google apps.

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They have tried to stop some of the shenanigans that ave gone on with Amazon simply taking Android and reworking it into their own OS.
Yes, that they did. I have mixed feelings on this one though, I mean it's fairly understandable why they would want to stop Amazon. I think what they did was fairly crass.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:41 PM
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I'd say that's the most likely explanation. I'm almost certain you would have to sign a fairly impenetrable
agreement to redistribute any of the Google apps.

Yes, that they did. I have mixed feelings on this one though, I mean it's fairly understandable why they would want to stop Amazon. I think what they did was fairly crass.
Crass, but until the open source movement learns how to deal properly with it, a salutary lesson to other companies looking to take a similar approach to open source development.

The company I work for takes it too far the other way sometimes, being a touch too paranoid, but two of the most closed companies with the heaviest security, Apple and Samsung, are the ones making the profits.

Nokia used to be pretty open, the Symbian move shows just how dedicated they were to open code, but also the problems involved.

Most mobile chip R&D work is now based on Android, and i think Google's open approach has delivered a vast amount of value. It has helped greatly in opening up lots of other companies, but now chip vendors are differentiating on the non-open bits, especially the hardware accelerator IDDN mentioned.


It results in more closed code and departure from the stock android source.

Not to mention the pain in the hole that results from not having things like the play store. Basically if you don't have it, you don't have a commercial product... Same is true for the HW accelerators.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:48 PM
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Since C83 is not gonna bite

does anyone else know what the score is with Chromebook ?

I thought google had backed out of there , but they seem to be advertising again ?

What's the scoop like ?
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:51 PM
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Since C83 is not gonna bite

does anyone else know what the score is with Chromebook ?

I thought google had backed out of there , but they seem to be advertising again ?

What's the scoop like ?
The original versions had shit sales.

The latest seems to be doing pretty well, but I'm not sure it'll last. Seemed to sell well at Christmas, especially on Amazon. Top selling laptop in the US, behind the Macbook.


It’s hard to be certain of what is actually driving those sales, besides from the Google/Samsung branding. The memory capacity is abysmal, and it’s WiFi only.

So if you’re not in a WiFi area, it’s pretty much a useless hunk of metal without a bunch of add ons. The processor is taken from a mobile phone and, really, it’s little more than a tablet with a keyboard in place of a touchscreen.

I mean, I can see why it could potentially appeal to some people, it’s cheap, cheap, cheap and the lack of ability to install most normal apps means it’s simply an internet terminal and will remain so, unlikely to age too badly. It also lends itself to pretty tight control, pretty attractive to IT departments, easily controlled, configured, wiped, etc… There are also security concerns, but if you run a company of 5-10 people, it’d be a perfect laptop to give your staff.

However, for your average punter I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why any sane normal person would voluntarily buy one.

You can buy a perfectly good tablet with the same spec for less, have access to far more apps, is lighter and as good, if not better battery life. The keyboard, I guess.

On the other hand, you can buy a proper laptop for about 20 quid more:
http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Asus_...n.asp#maindesc

It’s not a tablet and it’s not a laptop. It’s a netbook/thin client.

Netbooks are now officially dead, Acer and Asus have said they’re going to stop making them, so I really wouldn’t be optimistic that Chromebooks will succeed.

But then again, branding goes a very, very long way, c.f. Apple.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:55 PM
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The original versions had shit sales.

The latest seems to be doing pretty well, but I'm not sure it'll last. Seemed to sell well at Christmas, especially on Amazon. Top selling laptop in the US, behind the Macbook.


It’s hard to be certain of what is actually driving those sales, besides from the Google/Samsung branding. The memory capacity is abysmal, and it’s WiFi only.

So if you’re not in a WiFi area, it’s pretty much a useless hunk of metal without a bunch of add ons. The processor is taken from a mobile phone and, really, it’s little more than a tablet with a keyboard in place of a touchscreen.

I mean, I can see why it could potentially appeal to some people, it’s cheap, cheap, cheap and the lack of ability to install most normal apps means it’s simply an internet terminal and will remain so, unlikely to age too badly. It also lends itself to pretty tight control, pretty attractive to IT departments, easily controlled, configured, wiped, etc… There are also security concerns, but if you run a company of 5-10 people, it’d be a perfect laptop to give your staff.

However, for your average punter I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why any sane normal person would voluntarily buy one.

You can buy a perfectly good tablet with the same spec for less, have access to far more apps, is lighter and as good, if not better battery life. The keyboard, I guess.

On the other hand, you can buy a proper laptop for about 20 quid more:
http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Asus_...n.asp#maindesc

It’s not a tablet and it’s not a laptop. It’s a netbook/thin client.

Netbooks are now officially dead, Acer and Asus have said they’re going to stop making them, so I really wouldn’t be optimistic that Chromebooks will succeed.

But then again, branding goes a very, very long way, c.f. Apple.

So in short

near vapourware ?
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:24 PM
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near vapourware ?
No, not at all Vapourware is definitely the wrong way to describe it, after all, sales seem to have picked up and it has been up and running for quite some time now.

But the server/thin client model is one that has been around for a long time, it is basically what you had back in the days of mainframes and terminals.

It simply doesn't make a great deal of sense when storage memory is so cheap, in my opinion.

Basically, it's a work in progress. You can achieve the same effect by pressing F11 on a normal laptop. Until such point as it offers a hell of a lot more than that, I would say it's unfinished.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:02 PM
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Fair enough. Seems a bit more like a sneaky shot across Microsoft's bows for pig iron than a serious attempt. Sure if you click through the links to Samsung's page for it you see a ' we recommend windows 8 ' and an ultra book instead of a chromebook.
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:32 PM
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Fair enough. Seems a bit more like a sneaky shot across Microsoft's bows for pig iron than a serious attempt. Sure if you click through the links to Samsung's page for it you see a ' we recommend windows 8 ' and an ultra book instead of a chromebook.
Rome wasn't built in a day

If I have time ill come back to HBB's post... The world is moving online and less off it. Think how much time you have no access.... minutes, an hour ?

Type "google fibre" into er Google.

Hard drives etc are the past - online is the future. Of all people HBB I would have thought you'd be a proponent of that.
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