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Old 18-07-2013, 10:33 PM
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That letter to Diarmuid 'O Donovan says it all Youghally. By all accounts he is a decent sort of fella but it will take more than decency to fix this - it will take balls and an ability to rise above all agendas. I can't make up my mind if he is another one of Frank's men or not.

We need a real leader now who is driven by achieving success on the field for all Cork teams. The buffoons in the Co board don't seem to realize that success on the field will directly lead to success in the coffers. These dinosaurs are an embarrassment to the real GAA men and women of Cork
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Old 18-07-2013, 11:13 PM
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That letter to Diarmuid 'O Donovan says it all Youghally. By all accounts he is a decent sort of fella but it will take more than decency to fix this - it will take balls and an ability to rise above all agendas. I can't make up my mind if he is another one of Frank's men or not.

We need a real leader now who is driven by achieving success on the field for all Cork teams. The buffoons in the Co board don't seem to realize that success on the field will directly lead to success in the coffers. These dinosaurs are an embarrassment to the real GAA men and women of Cork
And that letter will be read by either Diarmuid or his secretary and then promptly binned.If those people really cared about Cork hurling we wouldn't be having the problems that we are having right now.
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Old 19-07-2013, 01:23 AM
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It's a massively depressing situation, that's all I can manage to say. Hopeless even.

Where has the club forum gone? Do the clubs really care about this?

At least in football our clubs are producing a conveyor belt of players to choose from, but our intercounty managements are consistently making a tits of them.

The only slight hope is that Donovan has some slightly progressive bone in his body. A very slight hope that is though.
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Old 19-07-2013, 05:50 PM
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It's a massively depressing situation, that's all I can manage to say. Hopeless even.

Where has the club forum gone? Do the clubs really care about this?

At least in football our clubs are producing a conveyor belt of players to choose from, but our intercounty managements are consistently making a tits of them.

The only slight hope is that Donovan has some slightly progressive bone in his body. A very slight hope that is though.
And that's not changing any time soon now that they are after putting some old fart from Castletownbere in charge of the minor football team.
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Old 20-07-2013, 07:26 PM
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Three weeks ago the delegates bought up the issue of the shambles that is Cork hurling right now.Frank said that we were just unlucky.That other counties are putting in a big effort and we have no devine right to win anything. Here is the post from Rebel Gaa about this.

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in all seriousness there is no point delegates speaking individually at these ccb meetings as Frank etc will just swat their complaints away like flies. They actually need to meet before the meeting and find common consensus and table motions which they know they can carry. I've said it before and I will say it again...it is a ********ship inside there. Three weeks ago delegates outlined that something had to be done to improve the structures. Frank said we had "no devine right to win anything". and "other counties were putting in huge efforts also" In fairness he is very good at putting spin on things drawing attention to football underage performances to outline how it is down to bad luck that the hurlers don't win. When you have delegates showing up every second Tuesday night they are coming from all corners of the county without actually meeting one another in the interim. They are led by Frank and Co...the don't lead themselves. Frank and Co are in Government and the back benchers have no real voice due to their diluted influence. In my opinion they need to do a ming flanagan wallace sort of job and unite and start properly voting on issues where their votes will actually count. ..and do a better job than Ming and Co obviously.

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Of course the our father was then once again said at the end of the meeting....no offence to the religious but that is what mass is there for on a Sunday. It is just all so backward....but then again maybe we should all say a few more prayers because I for one can't see anything changing.
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Old 20-07-2013, 07:31 PM
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The county board are also using the were doing alright at the football excuse to paper over the cracks!


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ove, I posted on another thread before about how football in Munster is far less competitive and our schools are doing well at that level. Our ability to win Munster titles in underage in football should not be used as a sign that the structures are grand, particularly when it is acknowledged by the greatest threat across the county bounds that their underage structures have been a mess for the last ten years. Tipp organised their structures and are putting it up to us already.

But if you measure success for the biggest county in Ireland as 1 senior All Ireland in over 20 years when we are almost guaranteed to be playing in August then, yeah the footballers are flying. We've had better success translating U21 Munster titles into All Ireland success but even there the hit rate could be a lot better.

It would be great if every club could be a little kibbutz and be self sustaining with the gems of each gathering together a week before the game like in the olden days to wipe the floor with the likes of Kilkenny, Donegal and Dublin (who according to Dara video opposition teams' friendlies when they get to hear about them). But the world doesn't work like that.

Limerick's recent success is built around finally realising that winning U21 All Ireland's and hoping a few lads will come through doesnt cut it anymore. Ard Scoil getting their act together and being competitive in the Harty was a big factor. It seems as if they pursued an active programme of attracting in players from other schools to do that. That didn't happen by accident. It is also built around appointing O'Grady and Allen because they recognised that they couldn't just rely on the 'let's stop fighting and unite' mantra anymore. It takes grassroots and county board willingness to accept there is a problem and change.

In Cork you get the sense the clubs see the schools as a threat and are more focused on showing they can develop the players themselves than actually getting us competitive in the major schools hurling competition.


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I think you have hit the nail in the head there Quill.
Another thing, I didn't rate John Allen as a manager at all but I have to admit that I was completely wrong.
John Allen has shown himself with Limerick to be a very good tactician and a great man manager. Why is that ???
Maybe it's because he moved to an environment that valued him and supported him as opposed to working in the rotten environment that still exists in Cork.
Forget the rights and wrongs of the strikes, Cork GAA on all levels, both hurling and football,is fractured and totally dysfunctional and will remain like this as long as FM is in charge. The man certainly, as Haughey would say, ''has been of some service''but to be in power for almost 40 years can only breed a form of melomania.

The fact that he was allowed extend his tenure under the guise of supervising the new stadium was the final nail in the coffin.
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Old 20-07-2013, 10:51 PM
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Happens elsewhere.

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As has become the norm, delegates failed to raise a single issue in relation to the finances from the floor. Carl Bond became the first person in three years to ask a question of any sort when he attempted to have a motion in relation to schoolboy football, that had already been withdrawn, ruled out of order.

Pat Kelly of the SFAI, who was awarded honorary life membership of the association, hailed the transformation of the organisation that has taken place over the course of the time involved.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...-agm-1.1470487
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Old 21-07-2013, 06:27 PM
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From Rebel Gaa.

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What to do indeed!! Its been a sobering week, but who should be surprised! I think we all have a fair idea of what problems exist, so the question is how and what are the means for the Cork Hurling People to instigate change??
This is a systemic problem in Cork Gaa, fuelled by cronism, ignorance, narrow mindedness and sadly, old fashioned tradition.
For anything to happen, then someone has to take ownership. This may be unpalatable for some commentators here and for others but the Clubs should take OWNERSHIP. Now I don't believe that the clubs are to blame, but its going to take all hurling clubs as a unit to instigate change, and to do this they must take responsibility. Take responsibility for what Cork hurling should be about and where it should go.
We need to get the clubs together and lay out what they want..there must be a vision of where hurling is to go and what we want to achieve. Its too late to expect something to happen from the CCB, they are reactive not pro- active, and even at that their reaction is pitiful.
Like if any one has any degree of intelligence they would realise that the old ways have failed us, change is needed. I don't expect to topple the CCB and remove the ineptitude that exists, but change comes from the bottom, rally the clubs...its just the first step...but we gotta start or Cork hurling will become like the city of Rome, a relic with just stories of past glories.
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Old 21-07-2013, 06:30 PM
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Is it time for a march?
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Old 21-07-2013, 06:32 PM
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On a Saturday?
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