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Old 10-01-2007, 12:59 PM
Proinsias Proinsias is offline
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I probably shouldn't be commenting on this in a public forum, but here's my disclaimer: These are not the opinions of my employer or any of my former employers. They're mine and mine alone.

With that out of the way, here's my opinion. I've been lazy and copied and pasted it from an email I sent earlier:

It's not exactly small, it's a pretty wide and long phone. You'd
want to have pretty big pockets to accomodate it, along with the necessary
cover case, needed to protect the touch screen. The approximate size of it is slightly thinner than the RAZR, half the width and the same length as a CD case.

From an email point of view, big woop, it's got IMAP and POP. Hmm, not exactly the biggest feature in the world. I would say most high end
phones come with imap and pop support as standard. In fact, Active Sync and blackberry support is getting to be the standard. As an example, Nokia's
high end phones support the following standards:Intellisyn c Wireless Email,
Blackberry Connect, Good Mobile Messaging, Seven Always-On Mail, Visto email technology, POP3/IMAP, Mail for Exchange

It's got Google Maps integrated. I have Google Maps on my phone too. And so can you if you put this into your
phone browser, download the app and run it. I'd recommend it, it's a top
app, but unfortunately the data it uses is pretty high and I've gotten in
trouble about my data usage in the past, so I don't use it any more...


It's got orientation and proximity sensors. Great. Now what are they going to do with them? The orientation sensors are used for things like drop protection and digital compasses in other phones. Apparently the orientation sensor in the iPhone will, er, switch the phone from portrait to landscape mode. Amazing... Except I've seen that in a phone before and was quite underwhelmed.

So it's released in partnership with Cingular. No bloody good for me.

It's got 4/8gb of memory. That's pretty good. Of course, my phone has 1GB memory (I couldn't get the test guys to give me a 2GB card...) and there's a good few phones that support 4GB cards.
Not to mention the Nokia N91 which is currently 4GB, and is being upgraded to 8GB, which should hit the shops within the next few weeks. Or the Sony Ericsson W950i, which also has 4GB. Or the Samsung SGH-i300, which has 3GB built in.

I don't like touch screens. I like my phone key pads with a bit of tactile feedback, as do most people from any of the UI trial results I've seen.

Battery life doesn't look too bad, in fairness, not too good for a 2G phone, but
respectible enough.

On the "What were you thinking?" side, it's got no 3G.
A big drawback. If it had HSDPA (high speed 3G, 3.6Mbps), you could buy and download music tracks on it, but not as it is.
I'd imagine operators would not be entirely happy with this omission, especially with the potential revenues from music and video downloads that's not really available.
This also makes the internet browser mostly redundant. GPRS surfing is like going back to dial up after using broadband, and is very expensive.

It's extremely expensive too. In fact, you can get an unlocked Nokia N91 for about the same price as the phone WITH a contract. So the choice is between an unlocked phone with more features from an established phone manufacturer with a good reliability record or a locked phone with a 2 year contract that's only going to become first available next summer for the exact same money upfront. Or the W950i, if you prefer, and have even more cash to spare compared to the subsidised price...

The fact that it's launching to that network in the USA is really important too. Limiting their initial market to just 45 million people initially. Which issmaller than England's (not even the UK's) user base.

Here's my other bits and pieces.
Last year, the PDA market worldwide was less than 20 million units. This is
a PDA, not a phone. It's also a shrinking market.
It's not out in the USA until June. This is a pretty long lead time, and by
the time it comes out, there'll be lots more competitors. Thing is, the USA
market has one of the lowest penetrations of mobile phones worldwide,
somewhere in the region of 70%, and the average value of the American bought
phone is significantly below that in Europe and Asia. Why launch there
It's launching in Europe "by the end of the year". Hmm, bit late if you ask
me. That gives us enough time to actually design and release a counter
product. We could design and launch the hardware, and get it into mass
production for this phone in that length of time. Ok, so the software would
be difficult, but my point is that the spin cycles of ourselves, Samsung and
LG mean that we can have an almost the exact same product in the European
market by that time.

The current iPhone will not change the phone market. It's a niche product at
most I reckon. A successful niche product, but a phone like that in a
traditional phone company would do well to sell 2-3 million units a year. At
that sort of price, well, they're lucky they've got good branding.

One other final point. In the 5 year history of the iPod, they sold 67
million of them up until last October. In Q4 alone, we sold 66 million
units. Nokia sold 100 million units. That's in a single quarter, they've
sold 50% more units than Apple have sold in 5 years.
If they hit their 1% of the global market, I'll be suprised.

Now if they'd stuck a simple GSM phone to a Nano and put it on sale
tomorrow, then I'd be worried.
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:04 PM
elwood blues elwood blues is offline
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you could have just said it's crap.
anything that bleeds for 5 days every month without dying deserves the odd bunch of flowers.
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:07 PM
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Well put.
Originally Posted by Colkitto View Post
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:11 PM
Proinsias Proinsias is offline
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Originally Posted by elwood blues View Post
you could have just said it's crap.
I could but I had that nice long analysis ready prepared (note the crap formatting...)

Ok, in summary, it's an expensive PDA with mediocre data connections and decent memory.
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:15 PM
cantankerous bastard cantankerous bastard is offline
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apple As i put in the other thread, some good pros and cons here...

I like you and if you can't handle that, well you can just fuck off.
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:16 PM
Vendredi Vendredi is offline
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Can you use it as a phone though?
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:25 PM
Dave Davis Dave Davis is offline
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Originally Posted by paddypaws View Post
Really fast to type on according to the keynote
According to Steve Jobs, who's trying to flog it to the world.

Pogue on the other hand, had the first impartial hands-on account of the iphone.
Den Jesus caem from Gallalee, to has baptizm from John

But John was all "Ur doin it rong, j00 needz to baptize me"

And Jesus answered sayin "STFU and baptize me n00b" and John did.
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:26 PM
Langer Dan Langer Dan is offline
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Originally Posted by The Oracle View Post
looks great and as usual operating interface 10years ahead of everybody else.

but will it work?
at 500 euro they can fuck right off.
Uh oh.
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Langer Dan View Post
at 500 euro they can fuck right off.
This is precisely the point. If you're balking at the thought of paying five hundred euro for a phone, you're obviously not part of their target market.
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:32 PM
i_didnt_do_nawtin i_didnt_do_nawtin is offline
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Originally Posted by nemesis View Post
This is precisely the point. If you're balking at the thought of paying five hundred euro for a phone, you're obviously not part of their target market.
No the point is that for €500 you can buy a far better phone (3G, audio/video players, WiFi, camera, installable software) that's not tied to a 2 year contract.
But hey, it's got a funky GUI. That's how OSes are judged these days.
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