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Woman murdered in Tullamore..


There are benefits dramas, benefits documentaries and benefits freak shows, of course: Channel 4 gives us what you might call the reversal of expectation, the one in which some people wash their kids’ faces and don’t smoke. Channel 5 is obsessed with the recipients of social security – churning out On Benefits, On the Sick, Britain’s Most Shameless Mum, with format spin-offs such as The Great British Benefits Handout, where you give a family all their benefits for the year, and then invite the viewer to laugh as they blow it on champagne. Naturally, in poverty porn as in regular porn, debasement comes in degrees.

As I was saying.....the British media....

There was a great documentary on BBC in the noughties, Skint it was called. Some episodes on the auld tube.

There was a REAL dodgy auld fella who used play the keyboard. Turned out he was a paedo. This was back when the dole in England was about £30 a week. The lads in and out of the pawn shop lol.

 
There was a great documentary on BBC in the noughties, Skint it was called. Some episodes on the auld tube.

There was a REAL dodgy auld fella who used play the keyboard. Turned out he was a paedo. This was back when the dole in England was about £30 a week. The lads in and out of the pawn shop lol.

It's actually worse than I remember from the book now that the Captain challenged me on it and forced me to prove that;

As usual, I was right ;)
 
More like the mail, the express and the Sun. Also, the media is more than newspapers

And referring back to the original comparison of how said media treated the McCanns and the people from the Mathews estates is right.

Yes the McCanns got some stick, but I'd doubt anyone anywhere called them or their neighbours a feral underclass. The british media did that to the people helping to look for Shannon ( I'm sure the book is available for free/almost free if you're interested enough to follow up)

It's probably gotten worse since the inception of social media too I'd imagine. Easy enough to find a few videos of people behaving badly in certain places and ignore the 99.9% just going about their lives.

As for here, how many campaigns did Vradkar undertake against almost non existent social welfare fraud and how many did he undertake against high earners cheating on their taxes?
I'm not calling into question any of the evidence or facts he produced more so saying I think he used these facts selectively without any degree of balance.

For example he could have written a book about how rich people avoid going to prison and backed it up with a myriad of examples.

But he could also write a book about how people in less affluent areas with multiple convictions avoid prison sentences.

Or he could have written a book about how GAA players avoid prison, or rugby players or soccer players etc again giving a shed load of examples.

I'm sure after reading any of these books where someone is in either a different social class or affiliated to a different sporting organisation they will all feel they are put upon, and sure aren't the facts there to prove it.

Or if he wanted to give the true picture he could have written a book which devotes a chapter on each of the above and the conclusion would not be that any specific group is targeted but that on the whole it is not that difficult to avoid a prison sentence, regardless of who you are.

The examples you have given, in my opinion, backs up my initial point about the class war, i.e Varadkar goes after welfare recipients because his voter base resent having to pay welfare through there taxes, they resent working while other people don't etc similarly you will have socialist parties waxing lyrical about the fat cat bankers, landlords etc.

It is an easy sell for both, because there is no love lost between the wealthier and poorer sections of society.

People can debate the rights and wrongs of people having the above opinions all day but it probably still won't change the fact there will always be animosity between the classes, and there will always be people around to exploit this, Leo and Tommy Gould etc are the current ringmasters.
 
I'm not calling into question any of the evidence or facts he produced more so saying I think he used these facts selectively without any degree of balance.

For example he could have written a book about how rich people avoid going to prison and backed it up with a myriad of examples.

But he could also write a book about how people in less affluent areas with multiple convictions avoid prison sentences.

Or he could have written a book about how GAA players avoid prison, or rugby players or soccer players etc again giving a shed load of examples.

I'm sure after reading any of these books where someone is in either a different social class or affiliated to a different sporting organisation they will all feel they are put upon, and sure aren't the facts there to prove it.

Or if he wanted to give the true picture he could have written a book which devotes a chapter on each of the above and the conclusion would not be that any specific group is targeted but that on the whole it is not that difficult to avoid a prison sentence, regardless of who you are.

The examples you have given, in my opinion, backs up my initial point about the class war, i.e Varadkar goes after welfare recipients because his voter base resent having to pay welfare through there taxes, they resent working while other people don't etc similarly you will have socialist parties waxing lyrical about the fat cat bankers, landlords etc.

It is an easy sell for both, because there is no love lost between the wealthier and poorer sections of society.

People can debate the rights and wrongs of people having the above opinions all day but it probably still won't change the fact there will always be animosity between the classes, and there will always be people around to exploit this, Leo and Tommy Gould etc are the current ringmasters.
Respectfully, that's one of the biggest piles of shite I've ever read on here.

You basically just said;

You can write a book about a premise you might have, provide acres of evidence for your premise, but if I disagree with your premise I don't need to provide any evidence, just some opinions.
 
Respectfully, that's one of the biggest piles of shite I've ever read on here.

You basically just said;

You can write a book about a premise you might have, provide acres of evidence for your premise, but if I disagree with your premise I don't need to provide any evidence, just some opinions.
I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion based on what I wrote.

I merely stated how facts can be used selectively to prove a point of view, look at the Israeli thread those who are pro Israeli point out all the Hamas atrocities and ignore what the Israelis have done and similarly those who are pro Palestinian point out all the Israeli atrocities and ignore what Hamas has done. In both cases people have produced facts they've just ignored some other facts.

By all means you can reach a conclusion that one side is worse than the other but it should have been reached by comparing the actions of both sides, however to myopically deny the existence of the other argument (where facts also exist) is stupidity at its finest and it is what you are doing here, which is ironic as you posted a video pointing out the perils of how we are all embracing stupidity.
 
I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion based on what I wrote.

I merely stated how facts can be used selectively to prove a point of view, look at the Israeli thread those who are pro Israeli point out all the Hamas atrocities and ignore what the Israelis have done and similarly those who are pro Palestinian point out all the Israeli atrocities and ignore what Hamas has done. In both cases people have produced facts they've just ignored some other facts.

By all means you can reach a conclusion that one side is worse than the other but it should have been reached by comparing the actions of both sides, however to myopically deny the existence of the other argument (where facts also exist) is stupidity at its finest and it is what you are doing here, which is ironic as you posted a video pointing out the perils of how we are all embracing stupidity.
Rightio.

Have you seen the post about all the tv shows about people on benefits?

Or are you just going to ignore that?
 
Btw, I'm not ignoring anything. People will less means have less power in society. Yeah, they might look at people with lots of money and have snobbish attitudes owards them.

But they don't have columns in newspapers.

They don't have the means to make tv shows.

They basically have no power to run campaigns about those people.

So you comparing one set of attitudes to another and equating them by just saying sure don't we all do it, is complete horse shit and extremely disingenuous. It's actually something you do all the time.


You're welcome.
 
It's all wealthy fuckers going

I haven't.

A link to the post would be great (y)
Sure.

The last post on this page.

 
Rightio.

Have you seen the post about all the tv shows about people on benefits?

Or are you just going to ignore that?
Of course I've seen them.

I've never said they don't exist, I've also seen exposes on wealthy individuals or corporations.

And that is the whole point, it is not all one way as you seem to be arguing, if you said you thought it was lob sided I'd say fair enough, but one way not a chance.
 
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