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[Matlock]

Really? I'll take your word for it but I find that surprising.

I suppose if I married a woman from the UK who had a Child by donated sperm or whatever she can list me as the father on the birth cert which would be analogous.

For a lesbian couple I presume the father section is blank or it's recorded as parent as you say.

We use parent one and parent two in place of mother and father. The birthing parent is recorded as parent one.

I'm not sure I agree that the case if the trans person should be settled using the term parent or whatever. The Trans Women is the Father of that child regardless of gender recognition certs. The role she pays in the child life will probably be more akin to that of a mother but there are plenty of fathers in the world who do a shit job of being fathers so that part isn't what counts for birth certs registry and citizenship.

Maybe people think that's me being pedantic but we know from all the cases of fake adoptees that people generally want to know the facts of their parentage.

The fact of the child's parentage is that the applicant is their parent though. Again, I know it's a pedantic point.

The parents of that Child can raise it however they see best, with two mothers or including extended family or whatever but that Child still had a mother and a father and I think has a stronger claim to a "right to know" than the trans person has to obscure the fact that they are biologically male but live their lives as female gendered.

Not every child has a mother and father though, legally speaking. Donor conceived children to same sex coupes have two mothers and a donor. Children of SMBC have a mother and a donor.

i dont think that there is any suggrstion from the reporting that the child wont be told that the applicants sperm was used to create them.

The parents may decide to tell a story to the Child about who the father is. That child may want to meet this imanary person in future when all along her mother is her father. It may be painful for the Trans women who is the father and the child and the biological mother but it's the truth and the child should know that eventually

 

[El Guapo]

We use parent one and parent two in place of mother and father. The birthing parent is recorded as parent one.

The fact of the child's parentage is that the applicant is their parent though. Again, I know it's a pedantic point.

Not every child has a mother and father though, legally speaking. Donor conceived children to same sex coupes have two mothers and a donor. Children of SMBC have a mother and a donor.

i dont think that there is any suggrstion from the reporting that the child wont be told that the applicants sperm was used to create them.

If you are recording the father as parent 2 you are by definition obscuring the fact that parent 2 is the father In this case.

For same sex parents, parent 2 is not the father.

Every child has a mother and a father biologically speaking. That may change in future with Gene sequencing and cloning but today it is true

Sometimes the rights of those fathers are treated differently if they are sperm donors or whatever but no child is born without a mother and a father I don't think it should be up to the state to knowingly record anything different. That is the case also with your same sex couple they are parent 1 and parent 2 not mother 1 and mother 2.

 

[Matlock]

If you are recording the father as parent 2 you are by definition obscuring the fact that parent 2 is the father In this case.

For same sex parents, parent 2 is not the father.

Every child has a mother and a father biologically speaking. That may change in future with Gene sequencing and cloning but today it is true

This isn't about biological definitions though, it is about legal ones. Legally not every child has a mother and a father. The issue of citizenship is a legal one. For the purposes of a passport, the issues is "is one of the parents an Irish citizen". In this case, they are. The gender of that parent should be immaterial.

Sometimes the rights of those fathers are treated differently if they are sperm donors or whatever but no child is born without a mother and a father I don't think it should be up to the state to knowingly record anything different. That is the case also with your same sex couple they are parent 1 and parent 2 not mother 1 and mother 2.

A sperm donor is not a father. They have none of the rights and obligations of a father.

Also, with same sex couples, some of them may be engaging in reciprocal IVF (where one woman provides the eggs and the other gestates the baby) so they are in practice both the mothers of the baby!

You say that the state shouldn't record anything differently than a child having a father and a mother. But we already do. We record children as having only one parent. We record children has having two same sex parents.

 

[El Guapo]

This isn't about biological definitions though, it is about legal ones. Legally not every child has a mother and a father. The issue of citizenship is a legal one. For the purposes of a passport, the issues is "is one of the parents an Irish citizen". In this case, they are. The gender of that parent should be immaterial.

A sperm donor is not a father. They have none of the rights and obligations of a father.

Also, with same sex couples, some of them may be engaging in reciprocal IVF (where one woman provides the eggs and the other gestates the baby) so they are in practice both the mothers of the baby!

You say that the state shouldn't record anything differently than a child having a father and a mother. But we already do. We record children as having only one parent. We record children has having two same sex parents.

I think I addressed all these in my previous post. we'll leave it there so

 

[Henrys Fonda]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988558674919366698

 

[Ogre Moran]

 

[Henrys Fonda]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989456815210496013

 

[Hallbopping]

Enoch on his way back to prison. The appeal about his dismissal needs to be dealt with at once and his assets stripped from him to pay the bill for the huge burden he’s placed on the taxpayer.

 

[omar]

Enoch on his way back to prison. The appeal about his dismissal needs to be dealt with at once and his assets stripped from him to pay the bill for the huge burden he’s placed on the taxpayer.

He doesn't have any assets to strip I'd say? He's a school teacher living at home with the folks.....doesn't seem like they would recover much at all.

 

[Hallbopping]

He doesn't have any assets to strip I'd say? He's a school teacher living at home with the folks.....doesn't seem like they would recover much at all.

Given his family’s involvement in this I’d have absolutely no problem with the family home being seized if they don’t pay the fines accrued.