Woke School Alert...

[Matlock]

My understanding is the Irish authorities would have no issue with this, it is the trans person who does not accept this as it would upset their principles or something. An educated guess would be this trans person is a fucking idiot who is totally wrapped up in themselves and is more concerned about their own shit than the child's nationality.

To be fair, their argument is that as someone with a gender recognition cert that identifies them as female, and who is in a same sex relationship, to agree to be listed as a "father" invalidates their gender recognition and their marriage.

You might not agree with that. I don't think that I do. But it is more complex than idiocy.

The solution to this (to me anyway) would just be to list them as parent.

 

[Henrys Fonda]

Is the UK gender recognition certificate accepted in Ireland? They don't recognise ours

 

[Pooman]

To be fair, their argument is that as someone with a gender recognition cert that identifies them as female, and who is in a same sex relationship, to agree to be listed as a "father" invalidates their gender recognition and their marriage.

You might not agree with that. I don't think that I do. But it is more complex than idiocy.

The solution to this (to me anyway) would just be to list them as parent.

The solution to me is to tell them "These are the rules, if you don't like them fuck off".

 

[Matlock]

Is the UK gender recognition certificate accepted in Ireland? They don't recognise ours

I don't believe so. They should have no issue getting a gender recognition cert here if that is the sticking point though, from what I can see.

 

[Matlock]

The solution to me is to tell them "These are the rules, if you don't like them fuck off".

Do you apply that solution to every law that is challenged through the courts?

 

[Pooman]

Do you apply that solution to every law that is challenged through the courts?

No, just the ones where women can produce sperm.

 

[Matlock]

No, just the ones where women can produce sperm.

Mrs McGees right to bodily autonomy would have been dismissed by someone else because they objected to contraception

Or Mr Norris's right to privacy because someone objected to homosexuality.

That isn't how the law should work in a functioning democracy though. All citizens have the right to a fair hearing.

 

[dukeroyale]

Is the UK gender recognition certificate accepted in Ireland? They don't recognise ours

i was wondering the same thing.

unless i missed it in the article, is the person irish by birth or through parents/grandparents? i saw she was a uk resident. foreign born children are automatically irish citizens once one of the parents was born in ireland. if it’s the granny rule then they must fill out the necessary documents and i guess under irish law those documents need to have a father on them.

tbh, she just swallow her pride to get the paperwork in order. i had to go against my own principles in another matter not so long ago just to make life a bit easier for myself and my own children to avoid certain authorities getting involved from a legal point of view.

did i like doing it? no.
was it a bitter pill to swallow? yes. was it easier in the long run for all of us? absolutely.

sometimes to cross a shitty t or dot an idiotic i is what’s needed unfortunately.

 

[El Guapo]

We definitely recognise same sex couples for the purposes of citizenship. They are both legal parents to the child. So if they were a traditional (for want of a better word) lesbian couple in Ireland then either of them being an Irish citizen would be a basis for the child claiming a passport. It gets a bit murkier if the child is born abroad, but the precedent is there.

Really? I'll take your word for it but I find that surprising.

I suppose if I married a woman from the UK who had a Child by donated sperm or whatever she can list me as the father on the birth cert which would be analogous.

For a lesbian couple I presume the father section is blank or it's recorded as parent as you say.

I'm not sure I agree that the case if the trans person should be settled using the term parent or whatever. The Trans Women is the Father of that child regardless of gender recognition certs. The role she pays in the child life will probably be more akin to that of a mother but there are plenty of fathers in the world who do a shit job of being fathers so that part isn't what counts for birth certs registry and citizenship.

Maybe people think that's me being pedantic but we know from all the cases of fake adoptees that people generally want to know the facts of their parentage.

The parents of that Child can raise it however they see best, with two mothers or including extended family or whatever but that Child still had a mother and a father and I think has a stronger claim to a "right to know" than the trans person has to obscure the fact that they are biologically male but live their lives as female gendered.

The parents may decide to tell a story to the Child about who the father is. That child may want to meet this imaginary person in future when all along her mother is her father. It may be painful for the Trans women who is the father and the child and the biological mother but it's the truth and the child should know that eventually

 

[Coach and Six]

The solution to me is to tell them "These are the rules, if you don't like them fuck off".

You should run for Pwezidint