I actually don't mind Joe if he's interviewing the likes of Bill Burr, Ric Flair or The Rock.
That's his level. When he brings on these guests like Suzanne Humphries and other cranks, and sits there open mouthed like the stoner he is just nodding his fucking head at them, because he's stoned and gullible (or at least pretending to be for views) I don't bother.
Anyone who says Vaccines and antibiotics haven't led to an increase in our longevity is a fucking moron and should be treated as such. And no I'm not being closed minded. It's just I've no time for cranks out to sell a few books to boost their bank balance. There's a preponderance of evidence out there showing how much they've aided our longevity and it's you (opposite) who is being closed minded to it, listening to someone who cherry picks information and sells a narrative around it. Go read about how vaccines killed Smallpox ffs.
Also, as I said the other day, in the early 20th century, 800 people per 100,000 died of an infectious disease. In the 21st century it's 48 per 100,000 (American figures). It was vaccines and antibiotics that did this. Better sanitation probably had a lot to with it as well, but anyone telling you medicine didn't play the major role is this is a liar or an idiot, or both.