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Trump is back baby!

Who will win the debate

  • Trump

    Votes: 17 33.3%
  • Harris

    Votes: 22 43.1%
  • I genuinely don’t care at this stage

    Votes: 12 23.5%

  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .
So Musk has gone a bit nuts (again) since the new National Security Strategy was launched.


It's worth reading the section on Europe:
"C. Promoting European Greatness
American officials have become used to thinking about European problems in terms of insufficient military spending and economic stagnation. There is truth to this, but Europe’s real problems are even deeper. Continental Europe has been losing share of global GDP—down from 25 percent in 1990 to 14 percent today—partly owing to national and transnational regulations that undermine creativity and industriousness.
But this economic decline is eclipsed by the real and more stark prospect of civilizational erasure. The larger issues facing Europe include activities of the European Union and other transnational bodies that undermine political liberty and sovereignty, migration policies that are transforming the continent and creating strife, censorship of free speech and suppression of political opposition, cratering birthrates, and loss of national identities and self-confidence.

Should present trends continue, the continent will be unrecognizable in 20 years or less. As such, it is far from obvious whether certain European countries will have economies and militaries strong enough to remain reliable allies. Many of these nations are currently doubling down on their present path. We want Europe to remain European, to regain its civilizational self-confidence, and to abandon its failed focus on regulatory suffocation. This lack of self-confidence is most evident in Europe’s relationship with Russia. European allies enjoy a significant hard power advantage over Russia by almost every measure, save nuclear weapons. As a result of Russia’s war in Ukraine, European relations with Russia are now deeply attenuated, and many Europeans regard Russia as an existential threat. Managing European relations with Russia will require significant U.S. diplomatic engagement, both to reestablish conditions of strategic stability across the Eurasian landmass, and to mitigate the risk of conflict between Russia and European states.

It is a core interest of the United States to negotiate an expeditious cessation of hostilities in Ukraine, in order to stabilize European economies, prevent unintended escalation or expansion of the war, and reestablish strategic stability with Russia, as well as to enable the post-hostilities reconstruction of Ukraine to enable its survival as a viable state.

The Ukraine War has had the perverse effect of increasing Europe’s, especially Germany’s, external dependencies. Today, German chemical companies are building some of the world’s largest processing plants in China, using Russian gas that they cannot obtain at home. The Trump Administration finds itself at odds with European officials who hold unrealistic expectations for the war perched in unstable minority governments, many of which trample on basic principles of democracy to suppress opposition. A large European majority wants peace, yet that desire is not translated into policy, in large measure because of those governments’ subversion of democratic processes. This is strategically important to the United States precisely because European states cannot reform themselves if they are trapped in political crisis

Yet Europe remains strategically and culturally vital to the United States.Transatlantic trade remains one of the pillars of the global economy and of American prosperity. European sectors from manufacturing to technology to energy remain among the world’s most robust. Europe is home to cutting-edge scientific research and world-leading cultural institutions. Not only can we not afford to write Europe off—doing so would be self-defeating for what this strategy aims to achieve. American diplomacy should continue to stand up for genuine democracy, freedom of expression, and unapologetic celebrations of European nations’ individual character and history. America encourages its political allies in Europe to promote this revival of spirit, and the growing influence of patriotic European parties indeed gives cause for great optimism.

Our goal should be to help Europe correct its current trajectory. We will need a strong Europe to help us successfully compete, and to work in concert with us to prevent any adversary from dominating Europe.America is, understandably, sentimentally attached to the European continent—and, of course, to Britain and Ireland. The character of these countries is also strategically important because we count upon creative, capable, confident,democratic allies to establish conditions of stability and security. We want to work with aligned countries that want to restore their former greatness.
Over the long term, it is more than plausible that within a few decades at the latest,certain NATO members will become majority non-European. As such, it is an open question whether they will view their place in the world, or their alliance with the United States, in the same way as those who signed the NATO charter. Our broad policy for Europe should prioritize:
• Reestablishing conditions of stability within Europe and strategic stability with Russia;
• Enabling Europe to stand on its own feet and operate as a group of aligned sovereign nations, including by taking primary responsibility for its own defense, without being dominated by any adversarial power;
• Cultivating resistance to Europe’s current trajectory within European nations;
• Opening European markets to U.S. goods and services and ensuring fair treatment of U.S. workers and businesses;
• Building up the healthy nations of Central, Eastern, and Southern Europe through commercial ties, weapons sales, political collaboration, and cultural and educational exchanges;
• Ending the perception, and preventing the reality, of NATO as a perpetually expanding alliance; and
• Encouraging Europe to take action to combat mercantilist overcapacity,technological theft, cyber espionage, and other hostile economic practices

That policy is delusional, it is MAGA in a nutshell. They based it on fake assumptions, but you know what? Myself, I do not give a damn :) Europe is not governed by Yanks, they wish. The worst is that Americans, after this shitshow MAGA administration goes away, will have to spend years to fix it, and some of things are never be the same after it.

Just some examples of the wrong assumptions:
- They claim that the global share of Europe dropped since 90s. Well, but they seem not to take into account China and also that GDP from service sector which US dominates is not adding value.
- they claim there is a risk of “civilizational erasure” hahahaha this is hillarious and only based on right wing nutters whispering to their ears. Like France collapsed already in early 00s, Sweden is under occupation. Now they say Belgium is not Belgian. Nutters :D
- US seeks to support genuine democracy, free expression, and national cultural identity. This made me laugh :D US is behind in all of those categories :)
- Rise of “patriotic” parties is viewed as a positive trend. Hahahaha yeah AdF and Reform with National Front :D
- They want to restore internal European stability and strategic stability with Russia. Hahahahahahaah how unstable you feel now :D

This is a joke not the policy, and will damage the US further.
 
President Donald Trump is doing an amazing job. He is waging war on inflation, drug runners, illegal immigration. He has secured peace in Gaza and as we speak is securing a settlement between Ukraine and Russia. His critics here would do well to remember his achievements going forward.
 
That policy is delusional, it is MAGA in a nutshell. They based it on fake assumptions, but you know what? Myself, I do not give a damn :) Europe is not governed by Yanks, they wish. The worst is that Americans, after this shitshow MAGA administration goes away, will have to spend years to fix it, and some of things are never be the same after it.

Just some examples of the wrong assumptions:
- They claim that the global share of Europe dropped since 90s. Well, but they seem not to take into account China and also that GDP from service sector which US dominates is not adding value.
- they claim there is a risk of “civilizational erasure” hahahaha this is hillarious and only based on right wing nutters whispering to their ears. Like France collapsed already in early 00s, Sweden is under occupation. Now they say Belgium is not Belgian. Nutters :D
- US seeks to support genuine democracy, free expression, and national cultural identity. This made me laugh :D US is behind in all of those categories :)
- Rise of “patriotic” parties is viewed as a positive trend. Hahahaha yeah AdF and Reform with National Front :D
- They want to restore internal European stability and strategic stability with Russia. Hahahahahahaah how unstable you feel now :D

This is a joke not the policy, and will damage the US further.
I agree on most of your points.

However Europe is extremely dependent on US companies and thus, in Trump's eyes, the US.

Europe's software industry is enfeebled. There is no European hyperscaler, there are few decent scale European software companies.
Out of the top 50 companies in the forbes software and programming industry list, 18 are American, one European (SAP) and one Australian. SAP are so heavily dependent on US sales that if they were blocked from the market, they'd collapse. That said, if SAP collapsed, the US economy would collapse with them, you don't know logistical pain until you've migrated an ERP system.

There are only two European companies in the top 50, no European mobile OS with any decent traction, there's a couple of small handset manufacturers (HMD/Nokia & Fairphone), there are no significant European server manufacturers*. Wortmann (german IT market) is the only decently sized laptop manufacturer.
There's no massive European social media companies, even traditional media is dominated by Americans, Apple, Netflix, Disney, Comcast...

There are a few areas where Europe is very to US tech (ARM for chip architecture, ASML for manufacture, Ericsson and Nokia for phone networking), but europe is a hell of a weaker position.

And that's not mentioning the military command and control + ISR capability dependencies.

So unfortunately, Europe has very little to defend itself in the public sphere, and Trump has an awful lot to attack with, and this is his announcement that he intends to attack the EU as an institution and liberal democracies within Europe.



*Yes, I know Atos aren't tiny but they really focus their hardware side entirely on the supercomputer side...
 
This rant to Politico about White Christendom falling or whatever.

Besides the obvious, we're all one people, and our immigrants are largely sound.

But doesn't America have more non-white people than Europe?

Europe and it's wokeness: Again, American college students coined the "woke" terminology and "wokeism".

Giving off about the EU, we need separate states, etc: then why don't they go right ahead and do the same.

We need to get off the American FDI drug, we're badly exposed to this cunt.
 
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