Trump is back baby!

[markyboy]

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114370361342759621

 

[How bad boy]

Wouldn't go that far, but I would say they'll go without a lot longer than the yanks will.

Speaking of dumb fucks, after it all ends in tears, the fall out will be hilarious with the amount of people trying to deny having ever backed him. The deleting of social Media Accounts will be off the scales.

The emotional side is very important. Imagine if Britain imposed punitive tariffs on Ireland. You'd have all the old famine grievances rolled out to the chorus of "come out ye black and tans".
The government wouldn't be the ones blamed, it'd be the Brits, at it again.

Actually the Irish approach to Brexit is very much an analogue of the situation.
Those clueless Tories claiming the solution to it being for to Ireland join Britain outside the EU, are equivalent to the Trumpites claiming that china will back down because it hurts them more. Or that absolute moron Suella Braverman who claimed that a risk of food shortages in Ireland could get Ireland to drop the NI border issue.

You'd only think that's a valid solution if you hadn't a clue about Irish history and culture. Same with the Chinese here.

 

[slick fingers]

China has strategically been building levers it can use against the world and at the same time building resilience through initiatives such as Belt and Road.

Spot on, for China it’s not just about money, it’s about pride and history. But they’re not exactly the good guys in all this either.
Just look at British Steel, the Chinese owners were ready to shut it down and the UK had to step in to save it. That’s not just business, that’s control. British Steel is about to be nationalised.


So yeah, Chiiina been playing the long game too. "Dig the well before you are thirsty." ;-)

 

[How bad boy]

Spot on, for China it’s not just about money, it’s about pride and history. But they’re not exactly the good guys in all this either.
Just look at British Steel, the Chinese owners were ready to shut it down and the UK had to step in to save it. That’s not just business, that’s control. British Steel is about to be nationalised.


So yeah, Chiiina been playing the long game too. "Dig the well before you are thirsty." ;-)

Oh the Chinese are not the good guys. If you've ever done business in china or studied the system that's clear.

They have systematically nicked IP from Western companies* and countries.
Complaining about it is pointless. Would you like to sue a Chinese company?
Good luck!

Most companies have some direct or indirect ownership by the communist party.
Once they get above a certain size, they must have a secretary from the communist party in the leadership.
The laws are set by the communist party, sometimes strategically ambiguously so they can be interpreted either way. Sometimes there are overlapping, conflicting laws.
And who appointed the judge who will decide on your case?
That's right, the communist party. And if the decisions that judge come up with are wrong, well, changes can be made.

And of course, if you go around suing Chinese companies, good luck doing any business at all as you will be cut out as a foreign company.

So yeah, not exactly a welcoming environment for foreigners who don't play the game.



*E.g. I almost certainly had my laptop cloned during a visit to one major Chinese company many moons ago...

 

[Handy Run]

They have systematically nicked IP from Western companies* and countries.

I've limited sympathy for companies who offshore production to china for slave labour and then have their IP nicked.

Furthermore, companies cheaping out on IT security deserve as much sympathy as someone keeping their engineering secrets in an Argos safe.

 

[DeepThroat]

They're very pissed off and know that Trump is fucked if he keeps the tariffs in place.

The Chinese people, on the other hand, are happy to deal with the pain, it's all very reminiscent to them of the opium wars, which kicked off what the Chinese call the "century of humiliation".

It's as relevant to Chinese history today as the Famine is to Ireland. The narrative the Chinese communist party pushes hard is before that period, China was one of the richest countries in the world. Due to their failure to adapt to the new world and fight properly, china ended that century in poverty.


They seem Trump's tariffs and US export bans of things like GPUs as an attempt to hold back China's development and return back to the top tier of nations.

China will have few problems saying "fuck you, you're trying to hold us back, we're strong enough to resist now and you need us more than we need you."

It's where their Rare Earths export bans become most apparent, China has strategically been building levers it can use against the world and at the same time building resilience through initiatives such as Belt and Road.

The Opium Wars for those who need reminding was a war waged by a drug cartel against a soverign nation who didn't like the fact said cartel was flooding their country with their product and had caused an addiction crisis.

 

[Handy Run]

The Opium Wars for those who need reminding was a war waged by a drug cartel against a soverign nation who didn't like the fact said cartel was flooding their country with their product and had caused an addiction crisis.

The settlement of the war makes it all ok though...

 

[How bad boy]

I've limited sympathy for companies who offshore production to china for slave labour and then have their IP nicked.

Furthermore, companies cheaping out on IT security deserve as much sympathy as someone keeping their engineering secrets in an Argos safe.

I said my laptop was cloned, not the same as secrets stolen.

As for the slave labour thing, it's not at all black and white. That deserves a longer answer but going from basic outsourced piece work to advanced design requires more than slave sweatshops

 

[Handy Run]

I said my laptop was cloned, not the same as secrets stolen.

As for the slave labour thing, it's not at all black and white. That deserves a longer answer but going from basic outsourced piece work to advanced design requires more than slave sweatshops

I was speaking more in generalisations. That's why I only took a snip of your post

 

[DeepThroat]

The settlement of the war makes it all ok though...

For the cartel anyway: they got Hong Kong and full compensation for all the product the sneaky Chinese destroyed.

Children who've watched Pirates of the Caribbean have commented to me about how the Pirates didn't fear the British, but when the East India Company appeared on the horizon they shat their pants