Trump is back baby!

Who will win the debate

  • Trump

    Votes: 15 31.9%
  • Harris

    Votes: 22 46.8%
  • I genuinely don’t care at this stage

    Votes: 10 21.3%

  • Total voters
    47
USA is seriously fucked up.
Trumps actions in trying to steal the election are far worse than Watergate

Apart from MAGA Morons - How can any US Citizen even consider voting for Trump.

Why is it that only Cheneys, Romney and a few GOP Figures have the courage to call this guy out

Haley, Di Santis, Graham are worse than Trump IMO

Cowards that are unfit for public office
 
USA is seriously fucked up.
Trumps actions in trying to steal the election are far worse than Watergate

Apart from MAGA Morons - How can any US Citizen even consider voting for Trump.

Why is it that only Cheneys, Romney and a few GOP Figures have the courage to call this guy out

Haley, Di Santis, Graham are worse than Trump IMO

Cowards that are unfit for public office
There are just so many people who are not engaged with the political process and there's just so much disinformation in every bit of the media/social media, it's overwhelming. Last week when I was over there, 3 out of 4 ads I was seeing was politics related, and most of that was hit pieces.
 
There are just so many people who are not engaged with the political process and there's just so much disinformation in every bit of the media/social media, it's overwhelming. Last week when I was over there, 3 out of 4 ads I was seeing was politics related, and most of that was hit pieces.
There seems to be quite a few voters who are only concerned with what cash they have left when they've paid for food, gas and rent.
Many of them think they had more spare cash during the Trump Presidency.

Border control, climate control, democracy, unity, abortion do not seem to matter a jot to many.
 
USA is seriously fucked up.
Trumps actions in trying to steal the election are far worse than Watergate

Apart from MAGA Morons - How can any US Citizen even consider voting for Trump.

Why is it that only Cheneys, and a few GOP Figures have the courage to call this guy out

Haley, Di Santis, Graham are worse than Trump IMO

Cowards that are unfit for public office
Romney had his chance during the week but bottled it I'm afraid.
 
There seems to be quite a few voters who are only concerned with what cash they have left when they've paid for food, gas and rent.
Many of them think they had more spare cash during the Trump Presidency.

Border control, climate control, democracy, unity, abortion do not seem to matter a jot to many.
Yeah it's bizarre but as they say , the zone is so flooded that they switch off and certainly don't see the bigger picture. The problem is this affects us, and we have no say.
 
There seems to be quite a few voters who are only concerned with what cash they have left when they've paid for food, gas and rent.
Many of them think they had more spare cash during the Trump Presidency.

Border control, climate control, democracy, unity, abortion do not seem to matter a jot to many.
They don't want freedom. They don't want justice. They just want someone to love.

 
There seems to be quite a few voters who are only concerned with what cash they have left when they've paid for food, gas and rent.
Many of them think they had more spare cash during the Trump Presidency.

Border control, climate control, democracy, unity, abortion do not seem to matter a jot to many.
They probably did, due to enormous and persistent inequality, they have a massive section of the population left behind and falling further behind every day.

There's a significant cohort of people who think they benefit from maintaining that status quo. In the short term, they do but in the long term they're just building up societal problems.

I don't think the west has proper come to terms with the rise of China. It took a hell of a lot of decently paid unskilled jobs and a not insignificant number of middle class jobs (including mine just over a decade ago).

Europe tends to compensate a bit better than the US for it but Europe has it's own problems.
 
They probably did, due to enormous and persistent inequality, they have a massive section of the population left behind and falling further behind every day.

There's a significant cohort of people who think they benefit from maintaining that status quo. In the short term, they do but in the long term they're just building up societal problems.

I don't think the west has proper come to terms with the rise of China. It took a hell of a lot of decently paid unskilled jobs and a not insignificant number of middle class jobs (including mine just over a decade ago).

Europe tends to compensate a bit better than the US for it but Europe has it's own problems.
The U.S. is also a highly consumerist society and as long as they can afford that cheap Chinese pool table or jacuzzi etc they do not care where it comes from as ownership of vast amounts of "stuff" is all part of the American dream.

They can sell the "status quo" to people with the promise that they too one day will be very rich even though you are working shifts at 2 lowly paid jobs.

If you get ill or miss a mortgage payment you are just screwed without health insurance or savings as the E.U. for all its faults has layers of supports from cradle to the grave.

The inequalities are simply vast in the U.S. and highly visible but they will never have their French style revolution and all the evangelical Christians are Christian in name only as long as it benefits their own kind as they are just a bunch of raging hypocrites.

You can always sell the American dream to the masses and then blame others for why you just have not achieved it for yourself or your family.
 
I hadn’t heard the Lindbergh one before 😂


Look! New York Times suddenly discovers Trump’s extensive ‘cognitive decline’​

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Former president Donald J. Trump delivers a speech during a rally held at Saginaw Valley State University, 7400 Bay Road in Kochville Township, Mich., on Thursday, Oct. 3, 2024.Kaytie Boomer | MLive.com
Throughout Donald Trump’spresidency, the New York Timesfaced relentless charges of selling outfor access journalism — minimizing the administration’s ineptitude and cruelty in order to maintain favored status among national media companies.

And during the current presidential campaign, the Times has suffered withering critiques of “sane-washing” Trump’s rambling, incoherence and failure to put forth — let alone understand — complex policy proposals.

But now, roughly a month before the election — after running President Joe Biden from the election with non-stop questions about his age — the Times seemingly has just discovered that Trump, now the oldest candidate to run for president, “rambles, he repeats himself, he roams from thought to thought — some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished, some of them factually fantastical. He voices outlandish claims that seem to be made up out of whole cloth.”

In an explanatory Sunday piece on Trump’s cognitive decline, reporters Peter Baker and Dylan Freedman — should be read anything into Maggie Haberman’s byline not being on this report? — finally compile what millions of voters already have witnessed: The mental degradation of Trump:

According to a computer analysis by The New York Times, Mr. Trump’s rally speeches now last an average of 82 minutes, compared with 45 minutes in 2016. Proportionately, he uses 13 percent more all-or-nothing terms like “always” and “never” than he did eight years ago, which some experts consider a sign of advancing age.

Similarly, he uses 32 percent more negative words than p ositive words now, compared with 21 percent in 2016, which can be another indicator of cognitive change. And he uses swearwords 69 percent more often than he did when he first ran, a trend that could reflect what experts call disinhibition. (A study by Stat, a health care news outlet, produced
similar findings.)

Mr. Trump frequently reaches to the past for his frame of reference, often to the 1980s and 1990s, when he was in his tabloid-fueled heyday. He cites fictional characters from that era like Hannibal Lecter from
“Silence of the Lip” (he meant “Silence of the Lambs”), asks “where’s Johnny Carson, bring back Johnny” (who died in 2005) and ruminates on how attractive Cary Grant was (“the most handsome man”). He asks supporters whether they remember the landing in New York of Charles Lindbergh, who actually landed in Paris and long before Mr. Trump was born.

The Times, you’ll recall, demanded Biden withdraw from the race (June 28) before calling Trump unfit (July 11). Interestingly, in Sunday’s piece, the Times calls Trump’s condition a “cognitive change,” while the story’s URL says it’s “cognitive decline.” Even in this instance, it’s likely a telling hedge.

Other Times observations:

— Trump’s rallies have become darker by the day, “powered by anger as much as anything else.”

— Name-calling dominates as he labels his political rivals “lunatics” and “deranged” and “communists” and “fascists.”

— He forgets and mispronounces names.

— He lies — about immigrants eating pets, FEMA withholding funds to hurricane victims, and more.

— Profanities slide off his tongue with regularity.

— He imagines awards he never won.

And this:

He does not stick to a single train of thought for long. During one 10-minute stretch in Mosinee, Wis., last month, for instance, he ping-ponged from topic to topic: Ms. Harris’s record; the virtues of the merit system; Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s endorsement; supposed corruption at the F.D.A., the C.D.C. and the W.H.O.; the Covid-19 pandemic; immigration; back to the W.H.O.; China; Mr. Biden’s age; Ms. Harris again; Mr. Biden again; chronic health problems and childhood diseases; back to Mr. Kennedy; the “Biden crime family”; the president’s State of the Union address; Franklin D. Roosevelt; the 25th Amendment; the “parasitic political class”; Election Day; back to immigration; Senator Tammy Baldwin; back to immigration; energy production; back to immigration; and Ms. Baldwin again.

But don’t try to correct him, because “Trump is never wrong,” he says. “I am never, ever wrong.”

And finally, it appears, even the Times isn’t buying it
 
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