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todays world cup qualifiers

Wow our group is really after getting so tight. We can't afford to lose to France.
I've just been working our a few permutations:

Current Table: Switz 13
Ireland 13
France 13
Israel 12
Next Games:
Faroe Islands v Israel (Israel win)
Ireland v France (Draw - Can't see us winning - hope to God we dont lose)
Cyprus v Switzerland (Switz Win)

That would leave the table as:
Switz 16
Israel 15
Ireland 14
France 14

Next Round:
Cyprus v Ireland (Ireland win)
Israel v Faroe (israel Win)
Switz v France (Huge Game: predict a Draw)

That would leave the table as
Israel 18 (Israel top of table like that)
Ireland 17
Switz 17
France 15

Final round of Games:
france v Cyprus (France Win)
Ireland v Switzerland (OOh this is a tough one. We are really due to beat the Swiss after the Euro 04 experience,however we have a terrible record against them. Two possible out comes:

If we win:
We win the group
Ireland 20
Israel 18
France 18
Switz 17

However if we were to draw with Switz, it would leave all 4 teams level on 18 points with goal difference deciding who goes to Germany and who misses out.

Just needed to make that out to help me see things more clearly. Wednesday's game is crucial. However even if we were to lose but went on to take 6 points in our last 2 games we would still get the play-off spot with France winning the group. its all so complicated. What do the rest of ye think about my predicitions. how do ye see us doin in the last 3 games
 
I was scribbling like mad on a piece of paper earlier, UCC Sham and I came up with the same as you.

We need 7 points from 9, and we need to beat the Swiss.

If it goes to the wire, ie 4 teams on 18 points, what happens next.

It used to be results between the top 4 that counted for Goal Difference, but that no longer is the case, so if we go to GD -->

Israel, by nature of their two remaining games (Faroes home and away) will be healthier than they are now, which is 11/9, if they match the worst records against the faroes (us) that'll be another 4 goals leaving 15/9 +6.

Swiss have cyprus away, which hasn't been happy hunting ground for anyone, again matching the worst result (by israel, a 2-1 win), that will up their difference from 14/5 to 16/6, still +10, difference staying that way under our assumed all draws scenario.

France have Cyprus at home on the last day, at the moment they are 8/1, +7 goals. If they match the worst result at home to Cyprus (and if they need to score a hatful on the last day, who'll bet against them), Israel beat them 2-1 and Swiss beat them 1-0, so 1-0 to France leaves them at 9/1 or +8

We have Cyprus away, same scenario, worst was israel, 2-1, moving our record from 11/4 to 13/5, +8.

It all comes down to drawing with France and beating the Swiss, hoping the Swiss and French cancel each other out. Swiss need to equal our result in Cypruss to stay ahead in the all draws scenario, while France need to beat our result against Cyprus (but playing at home!). We need to win by 3 goals more than Swiss against Cyprus to get ahead of the Swiss alone, I reckon. Which isn't going to happen.

I swear to Jebus if this goes down the swanny...
 
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and of course, if Israel do better than +4 in the two matches against the Faroes, give them a mullering at home, like the swiss did, it's even tighter...
 
it is all getting so close now, we cant have heart break again by comeing so far, do any of you know who we will meet in the q'fylr if we come 2nd in our group.

if the draw has been made yet.
 
west cork rebel said:
it is all getting so close now, we cant have heart break again by comeing so far, do any of you know who we will meet in the q'fylr if we come 2nd in our group.

if the draw has been made yet.
There'll be no draw until all the positions are actually decided.

I reckon if we beat Cyprus and Switzerland we'll be all right (to finish second). Blown leads against the Isrealis are going to come back to haunt someone, I just hope it won't be us. Anything we get against France is a bonus.
 
7 from 9 is a big ask but it can all start with a good result wednesday! i know its all ireland week but i'm not looking beyond wednesday night at the moment
 
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