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The, um, Aviation Thread

I think it's about time that major airports, ports, railways and roads are removed from the discretion of local authorities.
Insisting on keeping now obsolete parking ramps sums up the level of thinking in planning decisions in this country
Yes
we also need to ramp up one off housing in the countryside as well linking small villages
Spoke to a man today who son is going to Aus becasue he 7 years trying to get plaining on the farm in Dripsey
All services on site already
 
Yes
we also need to ramp up one off housing in the countryside as well linking small villages
Spoke to a man today who son is going to Aus becasue he 7 years trying to get plaining on the farm in Dripsey
All services on site already
One off housing in the countryside is generally a terrible idea and just creating extra problems down the line, due to things like car dependency, social isolation, the cost per household of providing utilities. As an example, if you've got 200M between houses, it's much, much more expensive per house to provide and maintain electricity, water, sewerage, roads, connectivity*, emergency services and social care than say even a suburb with houses every 20 metres and orders of magnitude more expensive per housing unit than say an apartment block.

Fundamentally one-off housing in the countryside needs to be subsidised, is pretty expensive to maintain in comparison with urban areas and doesn't provide any benefit to nature.

Moving to the country with the second least affordable housing in the world because you can't build a second house on your family farm is...strange behaviour.


*while you do have to pay for new connections, it's generally not covering the full cost, there are grants, and the ongoing run cost of most of that infrastructure is generally borne by the taxpayer
 
One off housing in the countryside is generally a terrible idea and just creating extra problems down the line, due to things like car dependency, social isolation, the cost per household of providing utilities. As an example, if you've got 200M between houses, it's much, much more expensive per house to provide and maintain electricity, water, sewerage, roads, connectivity*, emergency services and social care than say even a suburb with houses every 20 metres and orders of magnitude more expensive per housing unit than say an apartment block.

Fundamentally one-off housing in the countryside needs to be subsidised, is pretty expensive to maintain in comparison with urban areas and doesn't provide any benefit to nature.

Moving to the country with the second least affordable housing in the world because you can't build a second house on your family farm is...strange behaviour.


*while you do have to pay for new connections, it's generally not covering the full cost, there are grants, and the ongoing run cost of most of that infrastructure is generally borne by the taxpayer
I wouldnt have much issue in land swaps. Give Farmers kids a site in the local village. In return the farmer surrenders to rights of way or land to allow for road widening, Greenway or what have you without a CPO process. The farmers would generally do better out of this but over time society would benefit
 
One off housing in the countryside is generally a terrible idea and just creating extra problems down the line, due to things like car dependency, social isolation, the cost per household of providing utilities.
We have a housing crisis here, if people with their own sites whant to build let them build
I not talking about building up the side of mountains or remote areas, I specifically said roads linking villages .
Car depency in nonsence, some one living in villages need cars aswell

What utilities? Refuse is private, poles and water are there. again as I said roads linking villages
biocycle does waste

it's much, much more expensive per house to provide and maintain electricity, water, sewerage, roads, connectivity*, emergency services and social care than say even a suburb with houses every 20 metres and orders of magnitude more expensive per housing unit than say an apartment block.
You obviously aren't grasping the locations I talking about and have you mind made up it's on the side of a mountain
Fundamentally one-off housing in the countryside needs to be subsidised, is pretty expensive to maintain in comparison with urban areas and doesn't provide any benefit to nature.
Who subsidises it and how

Moving to the country with the second least affordable housing in the world because you can't build a second house on your family farm is...strange behaviour.

Goining off to earn better money so he can come back and buy a house that he cant put up now for half the money is strange behaviour
Okay
*while you do have to pay for new connections, it's generally not covering the full cost, there are grants, and the ongoing run cost of most of that infrastructure is generally borne by the taxpayer
Peopl building one off houses are taxpayers too and pay more that enough themselves to get services on site if they aren't there
already
 
We have a housing crisis here, if people with their own sites whant to build let them build
I not talking about building up the side of mountains or remote areas, I specifically said roads linking villages .
Car depency in nonsence, some one living in villages need cars aswell
Well, yes, that's a problem too, Ireland has a massive car dependency issue.
What utilities? Refuse is private, poles and water are there. again as I said roads linking villages
biocycle does waste
I listed them and you'll note I specifically excluded refuse for that very reason.
You obviously aren't grasping the locations I talking about and have you mind made up it's on the side of a mountain

Who subsidises it and how
Other tax payers. Health is one area where the extra costs are very obvious, e.g. sending an ambulance to the outskirts of Kilnamartyra is a hell of a lot more expensive than from one part of Cork city to another. Or if you have an elderly person on Home Support Service, it's going to be a lot more expensive for the HSE to provide that support to someone in that example of the outskirts of Kilnamatyra than Glasheen.
Goining off to earn better money so he can come back and buy a house that he cant put up now for half the money is strange behaviour
Okay
Oh so it's the cost is the problem? Fair enough.
Peopl building one off houses are taxpayers too and pay more that enough themselves to get services on site if they aren't there
already
They usually don't have to pay the ongoing cost of maintenance besides in circumstances like a rural electricity surcharge. They certainly don't have to pay higher water charges if they are connected to the mains, but the cost of maintenance per household is significantly higher for rural areas. You need hundreds of metres, per household, in urban settings, it's tens of metres. Cost of maintenance is related to amount of infrastructure per unit.



Anyway, this discussion doesn't belong here, so I suggest we leave it there.
 
I listed them and you'll note I specifically excluded refuse for that very reason.
How do you think water and elkectricty gets from village to village?

Other tax payers. Health is one area where the extra costs are very obvious, e.g. sending an ambulance to the outskirts of Kilnamartyra is a hell of a lot more expensive than from one part of Cork city to another. Or if you have an elderly person on Home Support Service, it's going to be a lot more expensive for the HSE to provide that support to someone in that example of the outskirts of Kilnamatyra than Glasheen.
So close the village and every other village and get everyone to move back in to the city where they are no houses available

They usually don't have to pay the ongoing cost of maintenance besides in circumstances like a rural electricity surcharge. They certainly don't have to pay higher water charges if they are connected to the mains, but the cost of maintenance per household is significantly higher for rural areas. You need hundreds of metres, per household, in urban settings, it's tens of metres. Cost of maintenance is related to amount of infrastructure per unit.
We don't have water charges
Again How do you think water and electricty gets from village to village?
 
How do you think water and elkectricty gets from village to village?


So close the village and every other village and get everyone to move back in to the city where they are no houses available


We don't have water charges
Again How do you think water and electricty gets from village to village?
I'm very aware that Ireland doesn't have water charges, which is why I said the extra cost gets borne by the tax payer.
Obviously I said nothing of the sort about closing villages, just not expanding one-off housing developments in rural areas.

I suspect water and electricity get from village to village by plane.

If not, helicopter.


That should get this thread back on track.
 
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