The trees on Knockpogue/Knockfree avenue

[omar]

Remove car parking spaces is their man issue. Hiding behind trees is to give the illusion that they care about the environment.

Let’s be honest about it.

I'd listen to the people living in the area personally. I wouldn't look down my nose at them or speak for them like you. Each to their own though.

If their main concern is actually losing car parking spaces, that's as valid a reason as the environment to those people's situations. They live up there. It's impacting them not you or me.

 

[Hallbopping]

I'd listen to the people living in the area personally. I wouldn't look down my nose at them or speak for them like you. Each to their own though.

If their main concern is actually losing car parking spaces, that's as valid a reason as the environment to those people's situations. They live up there. It's impacting them not you or me.

I’m not looking down my nose on anyone. We’ve no hope of significant infrastructure improvements if very minor changes such as this one are resisted like this.

 

[omar]

I’m not looking down my nose on anyone. We’ve no hope of significant infrastructure improvements if very minor changes such as this one are resisted like this.

I don't see what relevance this issue would have on other projects. Each project should be taken on their own merits.

This particular one doesn't work for the area imo and the opinion of the residents. Other projects in the area did make more sense and they proceeded without any major objection. We'll agree to differ

 

[Happyhonkaman]

No I don't to be honest with you and gave my reason above.
The plans do more harm than good and it's been highlighted.

It's a community a lot of the community are elderly who require the on road parking outside houses.
Meals on wheels for the area based in parochial hall - where do they park collecting the food and then delivering to residents?
The church - very populated area with big funerals, where do you park?
The schools - currently have safe drop off/collection points with parking that does not impact flow of traffic in area.
Bingo in parochial hall which is hugely popular with senior citizens and younger people alike who socialise here instead of pub.
Sporting activity in the parochial hall in which teams in basketball travel from all over Ireland to attend on given weekends across the year.
Sam Allen pitches when busy don't provide enough parking spaces as is so over flow is on road.

They all seem like reasonable points, I’m not familiar enough with the area to say one way or the other. The one thing I would say is that the planners who have put the scheme together are looking at the future of the area and not reacting to a snapshot in time. That area would have been built in the early '70s and predominantly young families would have moved in with the average age of parents in the 25-30 bracket. Those people have all aged 55 years since then so the average age of those left is probably 75+ and hence all of the points you have made there about bingo, meals on wheels etc. I live on a street like this, and every year 1 or 2 young families move in as people pass away

The demographic must be changing quickly in that area in the same way with younger families moving in to houses being vacated? In 5 years time the demographic will have changed even more and within 10 years there will be almost none of the original parents who moved in there. I was reading that article recently about the declining numbers in the city GAA clubs and Na Piarsaigh was one of the ones cited as particularly affected with numbers dwindling to nothing, they were a powerhouse when I was a kid. It makes complete sense if you think what is happening up there as the entire area ages in a fairly consistent manner, but what happens next is the new generation in are younger again and things begin to regenerate, but also the area needs facilities aimed at kids and families

Im not saying one way or the other as I have no dog in the fight, and not enough of awareness of the area, just trying to add a bit of context

 

[jimmym]

So far Noel O Flynn has propsed a motion for the next city council meeting that all works stop until further meetings take place,
Brian Mccarthy has now called for the same, SF have called for an independent mediator to be brought in and for all works to be suspended,
But are still in favour of the scheme, Id give them some credit for sticking to their original vote,

 

[ThatFella]

They all seem like reasonable points, I’m not familiar enough with the area to say one way or the other. The one thing I would say is that the planners who have put the scheme together are looking at the future of the area and not reacting to a snapshot in time. That area would have been built in the early '70s and predominantly young families would have moved in with the average age of parents in the 25-30 bracket. Those people have all aged 55 years since then so the average age of those left is probably 75+ and hence all of the points you have made there about bingo, meals on wheels etc. I live on a street like this, and every year 1 or 2 young families move in as people pass away

The demographic must be changing quickly in that area in the same way with younger families moving in to houses being vacated? In 5 years time the demographic will have changed even more and within 10 years there will be almost none of the original parents who moved in there. I was reading that article recently about the declining numbers in the city GAA clubs and Na Piarsaigh was one of the ones cited as particularly affected with numbers dwindling to nothing, they were a powerhouse when I was a kid. It makes complete sense if you think what is happening up there as the entire area ages in a fairly consistent manner, but what happens next is the new generation in are younger again and things begin to regenerate, but also the area needs facilities aimed at kids and families

Im not saying one way or the other as I have no dog in the fight, and not enough of awareness of the area, just trying to add a bit of context

I've no problem with future planning and schemes.
Everything can look good on paper even the worst of things.
I see your point as well 100% you're playing devils advocate.

You're right on demographic changes to be fair but like there's more than just those issues at play.

 

[Clairecarebear]

The big issue with car parking is that young adults are living at home longer, so that creates additional cars per household. I gave the example of my Aunt's terrace. There are 3 adult kids in one house with the parents. Each has a car, and boyfriends etc are calling. They can take up nearly the whole terrace on their own. While it is utter inconsideration, it still is an issue that is widespread more than in past times. There are more cars per household. Nothing is going to change that. Parking your car is an extremely important consideration for anyone, so clearly the removal of it will be a cause of stress. The issue will have knock -on effects on surrounding roads and terraces, as these cars will still have to park somewhere. This causes worry for those residents.

While people can joke about the northside, this would cause residents to have issue in any area. If the estates in Bishopstown or Douglas with multi-car families were subject to being told they cannot park in front of their house any more, they would have issue. Maybe the people in Farranree should be applauded for standing up rather than moaning like a lot of more affluent areas do, because they don't want to be seen to cause a stir. With the water meters, it was those areas that stood up, and then everyone benefitted from it.

I'm in the mental health and counselling field a long time, and one overarching commonality is that people despise feeling they have been controlled and had decisions made for them without their input.

 

[Clairecarebear]

The Tommy gang just posted a video from up there, saying trust has broken down between residents and City Council

 

[jimmym]

The Tommy gang just posted a video from up there, saying trust has broken down between residents and City Council

Saw it yesterday, its like a call out video,

 

[Roxetten]

Saw it yesterday, its like a call out video,

Fair play to him for making it a public post so we can all share in the lols.