And all I'm saying is the Catholic Church consigned themselves to where they are now because of their own actions, blaming the people is only making it worse. But for immigrants the church would be sunk. In the mid 80s I used to collect at mass and probably would have done more as time moved on, but I was repulsed by the likes of Connelly and Brady, along with Cleary and the whole shower trying to convince us not to believe our lying eyes.
In general, religion is responsible for so many wars and so much hatred, indeed even now the CC is using its overbearing control over schools to artificially bolster communions and confirmations. This actually harms the CC because those controlling the church have a false impression of their strength.