The Official Irish Rugby Thread

[nelly sham]

I'm of the belief that Prendergast playing in the AIs was more about him burning off Frawley and the two Byrnes, rather than challenging Crowley. And that's what seems to have happened, especially as it was announced shortly after that Harry Byrne was going on loan to Bristol.

Prendergast has big issues with his defence and Leinster continually hide him. Crowley is an all round better player and I believe will start the big games for the foreseeable future, with Prendergast on the bench

Zebo called it well before the Northampton game. You have to start Crowley and trust him to come through a bad patch of kicking. He's not playing with a dominant team, he's won the URC, he's won them games during the November. You can't start someone who's playing for a team that's top of their game and having all aspects scrutinised.

Always, it's all well and good hiding players in defensive patterns at club level but can't be doing at international and expect to get away with it

 

[CaptainSensible]

Yeah, he's getting good game time with Bordeaux but he's not their first choice 10, that's Jalibert.

Farrell shat on him from a height. If I was him, I'd tell Farrell to go fuck himself if he came back to ask him to play for Ireland again. He's settled in well in France, has plenty international caps and can now build a good retirement fund to make it worth it.

To be honest I think Carbery more or less shat on his own career albeit unwittingly.

As a running outhalf joining Munster was probably the worst decision he ever could have made, the Munster style at the time meant he had to try and adapt to become a kicking outhalf and he ended up caught between two stools, and his game and natural instincts suffered as a result. He is another of a long line of high profile backs that could be considered a failure at Munster and in my opinion it came down to our style of play i.e risk free rugby.

For a guy with such natural ability it is a shame really, but he only has himself to blame for his initial choice to move to Munster, Connaught or staying at Leinster (when you look at the number of games Sexton played) would have been a far better choice at the time considering the type of game both played at the time.

 

[How bad boy]

To be honest I think Carbery more or less shat on his own career albeit unwittingly.

As a running outhalf joining Munster was probably the worst decision he ever could have made, the Munster style at the time meant he had to try and adapt to become a kicking outhalf and he ended up caught between two stools, and his game and natural instincts suffered as a result. He is another of a long line of high profile backs that could be considered a failure at Munster and in my opinion it came down to our style of play i.e risk free rugby.

For a guy with such natural ability it is a shame really, but he only has himself to blame for his initial choice to move to Munster, Connaught or staying at Leinster (when you look at the number of games Sexton played) would have been a far better choice at the time considering the type of game both played at the time.

That's fair but Farrell has stuck by players playing much worse. It was a remarkable collapse in form after he got dropped initially though, think it broke him

 

[Jon Hurling]

To be honest I think Carbery more or less shat on his own career albeit unwittingly.

As a running outhalf joining Munster was probably the worst decision he ever could have made, the Munster style at the time meant he had to try and adapt to become a kicking outhalf and he ended up caught between two stools, and his game and natural instincts suffered as a result. He is another of a long line of high profile backs that could be considered a failure at Munster and in my opinion it came down to our style of play i.e risk free rugby.

For a guy with such natural ability it is a shame really, but he only has himself to blame for his initial choice to move to Munster, Connaught or staying at Leinster (when you look at the number of games Sexton played) would have been a far better choice at the time considering the type of game both played at the time.

Didn't Joe Schmidt and / or Nucifora tell him to leave as he needed to play 10 to be considered in that position for the World Cup? I think you are right though in saying he made the wrong decision in hindsight, he was getting a lot of gametime at 15 for Leinster and possibly could have displaced Rob Kearney and nailed down that position for Ireland. He would have still got plenty time at 10 for Leinster and with Carty the only real other back up, he would have still been second choice for Ireland even if he was Leinster's second 10.

Carbery could be 10 for Leinster today.

He still suffered horrendously with injuries, with some just downright unlucky such as wrist injuries. Good to see him still playing and all luck to him.

 

[How bad boy]

Didn't Joe Schmidt and / or Nucifora tell him to leave as he needed to play 10 to be considered in that position for the World Cup? I think you are right though in saying he made the wrong decision in hindsight, he was getting a lot of gametime at 15 for Leinster and possibly could have displaced Rob Kearney and nailed down that position for Ireland. He would have still got plenty time at 10 for Leinster and with Carty the only real other back up, he would have still been second choice for Ireland even if he was Leinster's second 10.

Carbery could be 10 for Leinster today.

He still suffered horrendously with injuries, with some just downright unlucky such as wrist injuries. Good to see him still playing and all luck to him.

Munster would probably have one of the Byrnes as reserve 10 now as a result.

 

[jeepers]

To be honest I think Carbery more or less shat on his own career albeit unwittingly.

As a running outhalf joining Munster was probably the worst decision he ever could have made, the Munster style at the time meant he had to try and adapt to become a kicking outhalf and he ended up caught between two stools, and his game and natural instincts suffered as a result. He is another of a long line of high profile backs that could be considered a failure at Munster and in my opinion it came down to our style of play i.e risk free rugby.

For a guy with such natural ability it is a shame really, but he only has himself to blame for his initial choice to move to Munster, Connaught or staying at Leinster (when you look at the number of games Sexton played) would have been a far better choice at the time considering the type of game both played at the time.

Carbery's error was as much insisting that he wanted to be an outhalf. He didn't have the robustness for it and his body paid the price. I'm a big Keenan fan, but he would have had a proper fight on his hands to take the 15 jersey from Carbery.

 

[MerchantOfEnnis]

Carbery brought a bit of excitement to him when he came down. It felt like we were genuinely getting a top player, and I know from being surrounded by Leinster fans in work at the time that they were very sorry to lose him.

I always assumed the long term plan was a few years of development in Munster and then back to Leinster for the number 10. As far as I know his girlfriend never moved down and he never really got invested in being in Munster. He also had awful luck with injuries.

Ive fond memories of going to Thomand for a game against Exeter. He kicked three great penalties and we won 9-6.

 

[outdagap]

Carbery brought a bit of excitement to him when he came down. It felt like we were genuinely getting a top player, and I know from being surrounded by Leinster fans in work at the time that they were very sorry to lose him.

I always assumed the long term plan was a few years of development in Munster and then back to Leinster for the number 10. As far as I know his girlfriend never moved down and he never really got invested in being in Munster. He also had awful luck with injuries.

Ive fond memories of going to Thomand for a game against Exeter. He kicked three great penalties and we won 9-6.

There was no doubting Joey's talent, it was just the injuries did for him. I have a vague memory of him buying/building a house in Kildare a year or so before the end of his Munster contract, which gave an indication that he wouldn't be hanging around.

 

[nelly sham]

Munster would probably have one of the Byrnes as reserve 10 now as a result.

Harry Byrne would need to find a Welsh granny

 

[nelly sham]

There was no doubting Joey's talent, it was just the injuries did for him. I have a vague memory of him buying/building a house in Kildare a year or so before the end of his Munster contract, which gave an indication that he wouldn't be hanging around.

Was it John Ryan that built a house in Limerick too before JvG told him to fuck off?