The official Cork court report thread.

[Matlock]

Nobody suggested the lawyers shouldn’t get paid for their work.

What is bizarre is your spin that anyone suggested they should not get paid for their work.

What was being pointed out is the same lawyer refused to represent the client in the lower court (where he would still have been paid).

If, as you claim, practitioners don’t want to deal in the lower courts why exactly do we have them?

Practitioners are happy to work in lower courts if they are paid a reasonable rate to do so. That's what the entire dispute is about...

 

[Matlock]

It would better than screwing a client for money imo.

It's legal aid, so the client isn't paying anything...

 

[Matlock]

Not really if they had a successful practice, they would just replace themselves in the firm with another barrister. They would be the name over the door still earning on two fronts now. If they had to give up practice, they would sell it for big money or have a relative run it.

Barristers aren't in firms in that way. A solicitor could do that, but not a Barrister.

Also, you can't be part of a practice and also be on the bench.

 

[Yermon]

Practitioners are happy to work in lower courts if they are paid a reasonable rate to do so. That's what the entire dispute is about...

If something could be resolved in a lower court by a practitioner, do you not think he's playing the system by refusing to deal with it in the lower court, insisting instead he'll only deal with it in a higher court where he can extract more in costs?

 

[omar]

Also, you can't be part of a practice and also be on the bench.

Tell that to Deccy Dalton

 

[Matlock]

Maybe I'm incorrect but I got the impression that MOE meant Kinnehan would get a sentence somewhere between 25 years and (a full) life sentence - rather than a literal "25 years to life"

25 to life is a US term.

 

[Yermon]

It's legal aid, so the client isn't paying anything...

"Ah shur the client doesn't have to pay so we can charge more" The taxpayer is having to pay.

And I think the general public are happy that the Minister for Justice, himself a legal practitioner who is more than familiar with how they system is being gamed, is seeking to put an end to the gravy train where the taxpayer is not getting good value,

 

[Matlock]

"Ah shur the client doesn't have to pay so we can charge more" The taxpayer is having to pay.

That isn't what I said, and you know it.

You doing things like this make it impossible to debate in good faith with you.

And I think the general public are happy that the Minister for Justice, himself a legal practitioner who is more than familiar with how they system is being gamed, is seeking to put an end to the gravy train where the taxpayer is not getting good value,

We'll see how it ends.

 

[Yermon]

That isn't what I said, and you know it.

You doing things like this make it impossible to debate in good faith with you.

I didn't say you said that and you know it. But it was the tenor of your "It's legal aid, so the client isn't paying anything..." and well you know it. And spare us the "impossible to debate in good faith" trope. We can all read what's going on.

We'll see how it ends.

Probably the same way it ended for Shatter. Someone, again more than familiar with the inner workings of the legal system in this country and who tried to reform it but the Legal practitioners took a dim view of anyone interfering with their gravy train.

 

[Matlock]

I didn't say you said that and you know it. But it was the tenor of your "It's legal aid, so the client isn't paying anything..." and well you know it. And spare us the "impossible to debate in good faith" trope. We can all read what's going on.

You clearly can't.

Lee claimed that lawyers should have to work for less than a reasonable rare rather than inconvenience the client by making them pay more. Which is a ridiculous position, even more so as the client isn't paying at all.

I bet hd wouldn't suggest that teachers should have to work for free though...

Probably the same way it ended for Shatter. Someone, again more than familiar with the inner workings of the legal system in this country and who tried to reform it but the Legal practitioners took a dim view of anyone interfering with their gravy train.