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The Munster Rugby Thread 24/25

An average team with real weaknesses at outhalf, back 3, front row played below their usual standard and got absolutely cleaned out by a better team who for 40 minutes played way above their norm
Munster are average, because of the imbalance of the various leagues will generally do ok in Europe without ever again threatening to win it
Lack of home grown talent and lack of money to import real star quality condemn Munster to mediocrity for ever more

Thanks

But aside from all that we were OK?
 
Got very excited there when I walked into Easons in Ennis, and saw all the posters advertising Conor Murrays book signing.

Fucking yesterday.

They've a rake load of signed copies, he must have sold fuck all. They also have signed copies of Andrew Porter's book. He doesn't seem to be the sharpest at all.
 
The last 2 games were big reality checks.

Size is now vital in the front row. We need new LH, TH & Hooker and that's in addition to retaining Alaalatoa.

We need to adjust to far more kicking in games. Russell and Spencer launched missiles into our 22 and our wingers were all at sea. Thaakir can't play away in big games, he was just flapping under the high balls. Kilgallen was poor too and that's really worrying.

IMO - JJ did very well.

Right now our situation at TH is a joke - Jager and Salanoa are not fit and Foxe isn't ready.

Hopefully Humph will allow NIQ signings - if not, I can't see Donk stay. A few must be released, sadly

QF is the best we can hope for in URC & CC - hopefully we can develop the Edogbos, Quinn, Gleeson and Evan plus a back.

We must also sort the line out.

We must lower expectations and hopefully get back to the top table next season
 
The last 2 games were big reality checks.

Size is now vital in the front row. We need new LH, TH & Hooker and that's in addition to retaining Alaalatoa.

We need to adjust to far more kicking in games. Russell and Spencer launched missiles into our 22 and our wingers were all at sea. Thaakir can't play away in big games, he was just flapping under the high balls. Kilgallen was poor too and that's really worrying.

IMO - JJ did very well.

Right now our situation at TH is a joke - Jager and Salanoa are not fit and Foxe isn't ready.

Hopefully Humph will allow NIQ signings - if not, I can't see Donk stay. A few must be released, sadly

QF is the best we can hope for in URC & CC - hopefully we can develop the Edogbos, Quinn, Gleeson and Evan plus a back.

We must also sort the line out.

We must lower expectations and hopefully get back to the top table next season
I'd generally agree with that but wouldn't be quite as pessimistic about the scrum.

Something is going on in Irish forward play and it's down to the training & coaching. The sheer physical size is a product of coaching. Not many of the props in the SA squad are particularly tall men, nor with a couple of exceptions, crazy heavy. Ntlabankanye is 150kg+ but he' s rarely in the Springboks and part of the worst performing of the SA scrums.
They are on average, about 5-10kg heavier than their Irish equivalents though. The starting front row for Ireland vs SA, according to official stats, was 354kg, for SA, 376kg. That is a significant difference but a lot of that is Du Toit being 17kg heavier than Furlong.

SA have an entire infrastructure built up around being excellent in the scrum such as with Kamp Staal Daan, in a way Ireland don't. Ireland has been focused on speed and accuracy of recycling, but have apparently moved on from that into <insert strategy here because I'm not certain what it is any more>. I think the focus on "total rugby" type approach has resulted in focus dropped from the forward set piece. With SA having figured out you can really make hay with a strong set piece, Irish teams are suffering.

Munster used to breed tough tough props by default, partly due to the number of farm lads who throw sheep over fences for a living. You had to be fucking good to overcome the inate strength that comes from farming. I suspect the culture around that has died off over recent decades.

That said, imports will only get so far. They're something not right in the coaching, the Munster pack hasn't been a feared bunch of absolute bastards for a long time. SA have got that, and it's what Irish rugby needs to learn from them.
 
Ireland have definitely concentrated on the agile front row players. They're all almost pseudo centers or back rows with the exception of Furlong and Porter and one of them can't scrummage.

Ala'atola can't carry at all but he scrums well and that's the approach that's needed.


Interestingly Dallaglio was complaining about England taking that approach with the lads playing hooker. They're all agile athletic players but there's an issue with their throwing in lineouts consistently so what's the point? The Bath replacement was a good example of that
Munster have the other issue of lads that aren't that dynamic and still can't throw into the fucking lineout
 
This is key. They are all nice boys. Lovely hair. Cool boots. Not a single maggot in there.
It's where Peter O'Mahony's loss is felt most. Beirne is a machine but from what I've seen, he's a lovely chap.

Used to have a coach at one club, right nasty bastard from Northern Ireland, who focused on getting aggression and toughness into forwards.

One of his favourite games was to get two packs between the 5 metre line and the try line, with the 15 metre line for the lineout as width and just roll the ball between them. Simple aim, get over the line. He'd have use batter the living shit out of each other for half an hour, sometimes with uneven numbers, replicating the ability to just fucking score when you're 5 metres out. Absolute gut busting physical hell, by the end it was just a muddy quagmire of violence.

By the end of that season, if we had a penalty that was kickable to the corner, might as well award the try, because we were going to get over.
LOL I thought you meant Kamp Staaldraad

Where the Saffas went on a bonding trip and were made to strip naked and crawl over gravel under a barbed wire net while some fella fired live ammo over their heads back in 03

Yeah, that didn't work so well.
Ireland have definitely concentrated on the agile front row players. They're all almost pseudo centers or back rows with the exception of Furlong and Porter and one of them can't scrummage.

Ala'atola can't carry at all but he scrums well and that's the approach that's needed.


Interestingly Dallaglio was complaining about England taking that approach with the lads playing hooker. They're all agile athletic players but there's an issue with their throwing in lineouts consistently so what's the point? The Bath replacement was a good example of that
Munster have the other issue of lads that aren't that dynamic and still can't throw into the fucking lineout
Agreed.

That said, there's nothing in the laws that says that hookers need to be the ones throwing in, it used to be the winger's job.

Absolutely no reason why it couldn't be a backrower or prop...
 
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