The Kerry Babies Case

[SoundMan]

The DPP has to be satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute, otherwise its a waste of public time and money, and unfair to the defendant.

They can't make it ' beyond a reasonable doubt' because they don't know the defence argument in advance, but they do have to have a high degree of confidence in their evidence.

But as you've already said, circumstantial evidence is still evidence. Short of finding the murder weapon with finger-prints still on it and a video recording of the infant being killed then isn't it all circumstantial one way or the other. Even for something as relatively light as perverting the course of justice would be reliant on circumstantial evidence.

And the the DPP at the time saw fit to prosecute JH despite the fact that no matter what else happened she could not have killed Baby John. Today's DPP would have a much stronger case against Baby John's mother imho.

Any idea how long it usually takes for the DPP to decide whether to proceed or not, or could this go on for weeks/months/years yet?

 

[daftbrush]

I can't see it taking more than a few weeks.

 

[johnnyboy]

It will depend on the response they get from interviewing friends and family.

However I would be amazed if anyone said anything other than 'I know nothing '.

Otherwise you're volunteering yourself for a Joanna Hayes type public grilling where you will be grilled by lawyers and then grilled by social media and probably end up being shunned by friends, family and neighbours.

 

[doppellanger]

That song is fierce interesting for such a fuckin grim ditty

It's at least 400 years old and has versons from Germany to USA via Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales.

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cool podcast, thanks for that.

The name of the guy who does it is Lynch, I wonder is he related to the tribunal judge?

He's in a band called Lancum, good musicians, but l find their music too depressing to listen to.

 

[johnnyboy]

39 years ago today

Truth about Kerry Baby John may have gone to the grave with man linked to case

The death of man linked to the couple arrested on suspicion of the murder of Baby John in Kerry may prove crucial in determining what action is taken over the killing.

m.independent.ie

It seems like they're trying to blame it on someone who died in the last few years.

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

39 years ago today

Truth about Kerry Baby John may have gone to the grave with man linked to case

The death of man linked to the couple arrested on suspicion of the murder of Baby John in Kerry may prove crucial in determining what action is taken over the killing.

m.independent.ie

It seems like they're trying to blame it on someone who died in the last few years.

Sure no different so to the tens of thousands of other babies murdered, enslaved or sold by our ancestors over the last 80 years.

 

[doppellanger]

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/...y-babies-case-to-be-included-in-file-for-dpp/ Looks like they're sending a file to the DPP, doesn't give much more detail than that.

 

[SoundMan]

The DPP has to be satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute, otherwise its a waste of public time and money, and unfair to the defendant.

They can't make it ' beyond a reasonable doubt' because they don't know the defence argument in advance, but they do have to have a high degree of confidence in their evidence.

Kind of ironic given the fall out from the DPP trying to finger Hutch purely on the word of a known perjurer

 

[Matlock]

Kind of ironic given the fall out from the DPP trying to finger Hutch purely on the word of a known perjurer

It is precisely the same thing as i said in the Hutch thread.

Sufficient evidence to prosecute does not always equate to Sufficient evidence to convict.

 

[doppellanger]

cool podcast, thanks for that.

The name of the guy who does it is Lynch, I wonder is he related to the tribunal judge?

He's in a band called Lancum, good musicians, but l find their music too depressing to listen to.

Actually took me a while to get into them but Lankum are very good. A lot of their stuff is dark so you have to be in the right mood to listen to it.

Anyway, no word from the DPP's office yet?