The Hurling Thread

[Meanach]

Erra they’ve some squad and setup. You have to tip your hat to them.

If they can recover fully from that tough game on Sunday, they will be hard to beat. Hegarty has been in unreal form all season.

He has and special mention to Stephen Bennett who has been outstanding for Waterford in this years Munster campaign.
Bennett has to be favourite to win a well deserved All Star award this year.

 

[knockfiarna]

Few thoughts on Cork here as not getting involved in all the internal stuff
1:Last 3 years cork focus i believe has been fixated from a performance pov on how to beat limerick , ultimate result 3 championship exits to Clare Tipp and Galway .
2: Tactics , Cork seem to concentrate a lot of effort into own gameplan and I wonder if they actually ever role play or practice scenarios like how to play against different styles ,eg sweeper etc. This leads into questions on
3:leadership, it has to come from the line first in prep for games but in the end down to players on field to adapt change and respond to what's happening on field.
4:gameplan and how its implemented , couldn't understand reluctance of cork to shoot from distance v Galway, was this pre conceived or a failure to execute maybe in hope of seeking out goal opportunities?
5: players , you have to have players on panel of 26 *barring injury* to implement the required changes needed and it looks like this hasn't been fully thought out , ball winners like harnedy left on line (hated seeing him named against limerick as he is fantastic at winning primary ball).
6: Trust in each other , looks at times like heads go when things go awry and thats when you need lads to step up and believe in what they have been doing in training etc , unity of purpose is huge in team sports and if 1 or 2 heads drop then it can spread through team. Mention has been made of hangovers from strike era , thats mad but I know full well from limericks not too distant past that internal politics within hurling circles in the county caused havoc for years , long since sorted though and there is a good ethos and a united purpose there now.

Big bonus for cork going forward is support base , nothing like it to drive lads on to succeed, who doesent want to perform and play for their own club and ultimately county team in front of a full house.
Up to Cork to fix it from here, the ingredients are there or thereabouts I think to do a lot better .

 

[The Duke]

Few thoughts on Cork here as not getting involved in all the internal stuff
1:Last 3 years cork focus i believe has been fixated from a performance pov on how to beat limerick , ultimate result 3 championship exits to Clare Tipp and Galway .
2: Tactics , Cork seem to concentrate a lot of effort into own gameplan and I wonder if they actually ever role play or practice scenarios like how to play against different styles ,eg sweeper etc. This leads into questions on
3:leadership, it has to come from the line first in prep for games but in the end down to players on field to adapt change and respond to what's happening on field.
4:gameplan and how its implemented , couldn't understand reluctance of cork to shoot from distance v Galway, was this pre conceived or a failure to execute maybe in hope of seeking out goal opportunities?
5: players , you have to have players on panel of 26 *barring injury* to implement the required changes needed and it looks like this hasn't been fully thought out , ball winners like harnedy left on line (hated seeing him named against limerick as he is fantastic at winning primary ball).
6: Trust in each other , looks at times like heads go when things go awry and thats when you need lads to step up and believe in what they have been doing in training etc , unity of purpose is huge in team sports and if 1 or 2 heads drop then it can spread through team. Mention has been made of hangovers from strike era , thats mad but I know full well from limericks not too distant past that internal politics within hurling circles in the county caused havoc for years , long since sorted though and there is a good ethos and a united purpose there now.

Big bonus for cork going forward is support base , nothing like it to drive lads on to succeed, who doesent want to perform and play for their own club and ultimately county team in front of a full house.
Up to Cork to fix it from here, the ingredients are there or thereabouts I think to do a lot better .

All spot on. Excellent post.

 

[red&blue]

Few thoughts on Cork here as not getting involved in all the internal stuff

youre a brave man

1:Last 3 years cork focus i believe has been fixated from a performance pov on how to beat limerick , ultimate result 3 championship exits to Clare Tipp and Galway .

very true, we could always tune in for Limerick, subconsciously not for other teams

2: Tactics , Cork seem to concentrate a lot of effort into own gameplan and I wonder if they actually ever role play or practice scenarios like how to play against different styles ,eg sweeper etc. This leads into questions on

I very much doubt we practiced scenarios based on an opposition other than Limerick

3:leadership, it has to come from the line first in prep for games but in the end down to players on field to adapt change and respond to what's happening on field.

very true

4:gameplan and how its implemented , couldn't understand reluctance of cork to shoot from distance v Galway, was this pre conceived or a failure to execute maybe in hope of seeking out goal opportunities?

it has been our game plan all year not to shoot from distance, madness at this level

5: players , you have to have players on panel of 26 *barring injury* to implement the required changes needed and it looks like this hasn't been fully thought out , ball winners like harnedy left on line (hated seeing him named against limerick as he is fantastic at winning primary ball).

we overloaded the speedy foward sub, Outside of Seamus, Alan Walsh was the only alternative and the reluctance to start him was telling, Padriag Power would be an abrasive type of foward but he never saw game time and got dropped off the panel for the semi final

6: Trust in each other , looks at times like heads go when things go awry and thats when you need lads to step up and believe in what they have been doing in training etc , unity of purpose is huge in team sports and if 1 or 2 heads drop then it can spread through team.

You must remember this is Bens first year, that trust doesnt be there automatically, having Kiely there for the last decade has really helped ye grow, the 2018 win was critical in a way 2024 could have been for us

Mention has been made of hangovers from strike era , thats mad but I know full well from limericks not too distant past that internal politics within hurling circles in the county caused havoc for years , long since sorted though and there is a good ethos and a united purpose there now.

theres that unity of purpose here too but anyone saying our 3rd strike wasnt a huge mistake is living in loola land

Big bonus for cork going forward is support base , nothing like it to drive lads on to succeed, who doesent want to perform and play for their own club and ultimately county team in front of a full house.
Up to Cork to fix it from here, the ingredients are there or thereabouts I think to do a lot better .

Fair play to you for giving an honest fair assessment of where we are, not an easy thing to achieve on a “foreign” forum

 

[North Cork Star]

Few thoughts on Cork here as not getting involved in all the internal stuff
1:Last 3 years cork focus i believe has been fixated from a performance pov on how to beat limerick , ultimate result 3 championship exits to Clare Tipp and Galway .
2: Tactics , Cork seem to concentrate a lot of effort into own gameplan and I wonder if they actually ever role play or practice scenarios like how to play against different styles ,eg sweeper etc. This leads into questions on
3:leadership, it has to come from the line first in prep for games but in the end down to players on field to adapt change and respond to what's happening on field.
4:gameplan and how its implemented , couldn't understand reluctance of cork to shoot from distance v Galway, was this pre conceived or a failure to execute maybe in hope of seeking out goal opportunities?
5: players , you have to have players on panel of 26 *barring injury* to implement the required changes needed and it looks like this hasn't been fully thought out , ball winners like harnedy left on line (hated seeing him named against limerick as he is fantastic at winning primary ball).
6: Trust in each other , looks at times like heads go when things go awry and thats when you need lads to step up and believe in what they have been doing in training etc , unity of purpose is huge in team sports and if 1 or 2 heads drop then it can spread through team. Mention has been made of hangovers from strike era , thats mad but I know full well from limericks not too distant past that internal politics within hurling circles in the county caused havoc for years , long since sorted though and there is a good ethos and a united purpose there now.

Big bonus for cork going forward is support base , nothing like it to drive lads on to succeed, who doesent want to perform and play for their own club and ultimately county team in front of a full house.
Up to Cork to fix it from here, the ingredients are there or thereabouts I think to do a lot better .

Thanks for sharing Knocka! Good to hear in depth balanced analysis from outside the county bounds. You are not too far from Newtownshandrum, maybe you should sit down with Ben and talk it through!!

 

[Happyhonkaman]

Few thoughts on Cork here as not getting involved in all the internal stuff
1:Last 3 years cork focus i believe has been fixated from a performance pov on how to beat limerick , ultimate result 3 championship exits to Clare Tipp and Galway .
2: Tactics , Cork seem to concentrate a lot of effort into own gameplan and I wonder if they actually ever role play or practice scenarios like how to play against different styles ,eg sweeper etc. This leads into questions on
3:leadership, it has to come from the line first in prep for games but in the end down to players on field to adapt change and respond to what's happening on field.
4:gameplan and how its implemented , couldn't understand reluctance of cork to shoot from distance v Galway, was this pre conceived or a failure to execute maybe in hope of seeking out goal opportunities?
5: players , you have to have players on panel of 26 *barring injury* to implement the required changes needed and it looks like this hasn't been fully thought out , ball winners like harnedy left on line (hated seeing him named against limerick as he is fantastic at winning primary ball).
6: Trust in each other , looks at times like heads go when things go awry and thats when you need lads to step up and believe in what they have been doing in training etc , unity of purpose is huge in team sports and if 1 or 2 heads drop then it can spread through team. Mention has been made of hangovers from strike era , thats mad but I know full well from limericks not too distant past that internal politics within hurling circles in the county caused havoc for years , long since sorted though and there is a good ethos and a united purpose there now.

Big bonus for cork going forward is support base , nothing like it to drive lads on to succeed, who doesent want to perform and play for their own club and ultimately county team in front of a full house.
Up to Cork to fix it from here, the ingredients are there or thereabouts I think to do a lot better .

I’d say you’re on the ball with a lot of what you’ve posted there. I haven’t posted anything myself since the match as I just don’t have the stomach for it.. went on holidays the next morning, kept the head low, and left it at that

You mentioned the Clare, Tipp and Galway defeats as a defining group of results but I’d take the Clare one out of that.. we performed and lost on the tightest of margins, Tipp and Galway are two days we just collapsed

I was firmly of the opinion that last years final was lost on the line, but Galway has me questioning this. Any winning team is the combination of the line and the squad working together and the combination of the pair being the key. I saw the same things you did in terms of our managerial approach to both games and where it came up short, but without leaders on the pitch you can set a team out any way you like and it won’t matter

Watching the last 5 minutes of the 1st half, and first 10 of the second half contains all of the questions we need to answer now

 

[red&blue]

I’d say you’re on the ball with a lot of what you’ve posted there. I haven’t posted anything myself since the match as I just don’t have the stomach for it.. went on holidays the next morning, kept the head low, and left it at that

You mentioned the Clare, Tipp and Galway defeats as a defining group of results but I’d take the Clare one out of that.. we performed and lost on the tightest of margins, Tipp and Galway are two days we just collapsed

I was firmly of the opinion that last years final was lost on the line, but Galway has me questioning this. Any winning team is the combination of the line and the squad working together and the combination of the pair being the key. I saw the same things you did in terms of our managerial approach to both games and where it came up short, but without leaders on the pitch you can set a team out any way you like and it won’t matter

Watching the last 5 minutes of the 1st half, and first 10 of the second half contains all of the questions we need to answer now

Nail on the head

 

[bluesball]

Football or hurling? Both went the same way

 

[Northcorkman]

Joe canning definitely talks both sides of his mouth. When he made his punditry debut he whaled about you can’t sit back on limerick and let then go out short and every team should push up on them. Now he is saying how will limerick counteract o donoghues master clsss . Waterford 2020 to 2022 and under Davy did what Galway do and failed every time. And brynes could score double digits. I would advise lump on Byrnes hurler of the year because of Galway set up like they are expected he could run riot from distance.

 

[Hallbopping]

Joe canning definitely talks both sides of his mouth. When he made his punditry debut he whaled about you can’t sit back on limerick and let then go out short and every team should push up on them. Now he is saying how will limerick counteract o donoghues master clsss . Waterford 2020 to 2022 and under Davy did what Galway do and failed every time. And brynes could score double digits. I would advise lump on Byrnes hurler of the year because of Galway set up like they are expected he could run riot from distance.

I think to be fair to him the way Donoghue sets up is a little different. It may come to shit against Limerick but there’s little doubt that as good as Limerick are now (and I think they will win) they are not the 2020-2023 Limerick team.