The Hurling Thread

[Crankycorner]

I also don't understand the new Rebel Og regions. For example, in North Cork, it is very hard to get enough drives to attend a game in Knocknagree at half 6 on a Wednesday evening if you are coming from the likes of Kilworth. Also, I see Ballygiblin won the East Cork Minor B Hurling Final at the weekend. Donoughmore are playing Kilworth/Araglen in the North Minor A Hurling Final tomorrow night. It doesn't sit right really. But maybe it is benefitting those clubs, I don't know.

My own club Brian Dillons are in the East Board and this year played clubs such as Freemount, Doneraile, Kildorrery, Banteer and Dromtariffe. All East Cork strongholds.

 

[jimmym]

Castlemartyr u14 LGFA had to travel to Bantry last saturday afternoon,

 

[Crankycorner]

Castlemartyr u14 LGFA had to travel to Bantry last saturday afternoon,

Ah that’s ridiculous.

 

[North Cork]

I also don't understand the new Rebel Og regions. For example, in North Cork, it is very hard to get enough drives to attend a game in Knocknagree at half 6 on a Wednesday evening if you are coming from the likes of Kilworth. Also, I see Ballygiblin won the East Cork Minor B Hurling Final at the weekend. Donoughmore are playing Kilworth/Araglen in the North Minor A Hurling Final tomorrow night. It doesn't sit right really. But maybe it is benefitting those clubs, I don't know.

Why not just use the divisions as we all know them as a starting point and tweak here or there if necessary.
@Ah ref is right about one thing though. Children need to start playing hurling at a very young age. Given work and time constraints it isn't always possible for parents to get involved in coaching , pucking a ball around with the children or just getting them to training.
Soccer, Gaelic football and rugby are all sports that you can start at a much older age and still have all the skills by the time a child is playing competitive sport.

 

[North Cork Star]

I'd actually use the Rebel Óg Model for the adult county leagues. Cork North - Divisions 1, 2 and 3 if needed, Cork East - Divisions 1, 2 and 3 if needed. Cork Mid - Divisions 1, 2 and 3 if needed. And Cork West - Divisions 1, 2 and 3 if needed. You could have an All County League then for the Premier Senior League.

I don't see the logic in Adrigole playing Glanworth in the league in February. It would be better for Adrigole to play the likes of Castletownbere, Urhan, Ilen Rovers etc. And it would be more beneficial for the likes of Glanworth to play Kildorrery, Mitchelstown and Buttevant in the league.

For Rebel Óg, they should make the Divisions tighter again for better logistics and less travel. Bring back the original Division templates e.g. Avondhu, Duhallow, Muskerry etc. And as North Cork said, you could always make adjustments if there is imbalance in the grades e.g. Putting Ballincollig into the City if needs be.

 

[red&blue]

I'd actually use the Rebel Óg Model for the adult county leagues. Cork North - Divisions 1, 2 and 3 if needed, Cork East - Divisions 1, 2 and 3 if needed. Cork Mid - Divisions 1, 2 and 3 if needed. And Cork West - Divisions 1, 2 and 3 if needed. You could have an All County League then for the Premier Senior League.

I don't see the logic in Adrigole playing Glanworth in the league in February. It would be better for Adrigole to play the likes of Castletownbere, Urhan, Ilen Rovers etc. And it would be more beneficial for the likes of Glanworth to play Kildorrery, Mitchelstown and Buttevant in the league.

For Rebel Óg, they should make the Divisions tighter again for better logistics and less travel. Bring back the original Division templates e.g. Avondhu, Duhallow, Muskerry etc. And as North Cork said, you could always make adjustments if there is imbalance in the grades e.g. Putting Ballincollig into the City if needs be.

These points and more were put to Cork GAA befire the formation of Rebel Og. There was almost a plea from the city clubs to use the old city board template as the way foward, a game a week for every team mostly on Saturdays within their own region. They were ignored, largely due to country clubs wanting to enter every age group even though they may not have enough players on the age, and decades of traditional rivalries were thrown out the window. We are paying for those choices since

 

[tank]

Another gripe about Rebel Óg is the scheduling of games at the same time as other sports, same gripe about the Cork Schoolboys League. It's making kids choose a sport when they are 11/12/13 years of age. I don't know why they both cannot coordinate and pick a day on a weekend each for a certain age group? Saturday for GAA and Sunday for soccer, and the next weekend reverse it.

I'm involved in both GAA and soccer clubs in my area and have a kid who plays both and loves both, yet is going to have to choose which one to play. His decision could go either way but I know of kids who will absolutely choose one over the other. The result is that for a clashing game both teams are weakened, or even a game is called off and a walkover is given.

I know of an age group in my local clubs where the coaches are the same people for soccer and GAA, so not even the kids have to choose now but the coaches, because RÓ and CSL have scheduled games at the same time.

One thing I've noticed lately is that there's a lot of kids who are not from an Irish background who are playing both, but when push comes to shove will immediately choose soccer. My assumption is that hurling is just not part of their heritage so they don't feel compelled to chose it. If the county board want to keep up participation rates with these and other kids, then they have to begin to coordinate. Saying that, I have a fair bit of experience dealing with the CSL and how difficult they are so I'm very aware it's not just down to Rebel Óg.

 

[RebelBhoy]

After three years without one, the GAA are recruiting a National Director of Hurling...

 

[AllCork32]

Another gripe about Rebel Óg is the scheduling of games at the same time as other sports, same gripe about the Cork Schoolboys League. It's making kids choose a sport when they are 11/12/13 years of age. I don't know why they both cannot coordinate and pick a day on a weekend each for a certain age group? Saturday for GAA and Sunday for soccer, and the next weekend reverse it.

I'm involved in both GAA and soccer clubs in my area and have a kid who plays both and loves both, yet is going to have to choose which one to play. His decision could go either way but I know of kids who will absolutely choose one over the other. The result is that for a clashing game both teams are weakened, or even a game is called off and a walkover is given.

I know of an age group in my local clubs where the coaches are the same people for soccer and GAA, so not even the kids have to choose now but the coaches, because RÓ and CSL have scheduled games at the same time.

One thing I've noticed lately is that there's a lot of kids who are not from an Irish background who are playing both, but when push comes to shove will immediately choose soccer. My assumption is that hurling is just not part of their heritage so they don't feel compelled to chose it. If the county board want to keep up participation rates with these and other kids, then they have to begin to coordinate. Saying that, I have a fair bit of experience dealing with the CSL and how difficult they are so I'm very aware it's not just down to Rebel Óg.

A lot more solvable problems in rebel og than cooperation with local soccer clubs!

 

[cork2030]

These points and more were put to Cork GAA befire the formation of Rebel Og. There was almost a plea from the city clubs to use the old city board template as the way foward, a game a week for every team mostly on Saturdays within their own region. They were ignored, largely due to country clubs wanting to enter every age group even though they may not have enough players on the age, and decades of traditional rivalries were thrown out the window. We are paying for those choices since

100%, Cork have not won a Senior All Ireland Hurling since rebel og was formed