The Gaelic Football Thread

[TonyCork80]

This talk of compensating clubs for "developing players" is very loose and dangerous. Let An Ghaeltacht give Kanturk a few bob for developing Aidan Walsh so if that's the case.

It's a tiny number of players and as was pointed out it's only the end of the world when it is that crowd who are affected. They don't seem to mind Mark Keane being there and with good reason. It is Kerry with their maw out looking for money episode 96,722.

 

[El Guapo]

Like I said, the nature of the link between AFL and Gaelic football is what makes it very different.

Cool I don't agree at all and that's okay

There is no formal link outside of the international series which hasn't been played since 2013.

Yes there is an overlap with the skills required catching and kicking etc

There is plenty of overlap with other sports too. Basketball, Football, Rugby. Most likely the real transferrible skill is athleticism.

Players chop and drop sports all the time, the GAA lose far more players to rugby and soccer than they do to AFL.

Only from the perspective of the GAA which has hegemony Ireland. There is a couple of stories every few years about pro athletes coming home to play GAA.

Rugby and Soccer and Athletics and Swimming, Golf, Cricket, Tennis and pretty much every other sport would all say that its the GAA tries to keep an exclusive hold on talent. Christ we even get that talk about Gaelic Footballers who want to be hurlers.

i dont mean to sound overly critical the competition for resources is kind of natural if a bit sub optimal.

I don't really see what kind of agreement the GAA and the AFL could come to. That the AFL could perhaps use GAA facilities for training camps or scouting combines for an agreement to release players at end of season?

Again because of its Amatuer status the GAA literally don't have a leg to stand on so why would the AFL pony up any cash. Why should they.

The only parallel I see with NZ or French teams signing islanders is that they are offering a path to professionalism not available to them in their home place. That's it.

Your point about how scouting happens in a different code is more geography than anything else. Plenty of players get signed to Union from League and Vice versa. Plenty of historic linkages between those sports and even plenty of compromise rules exhibition series but it's the players who move codes not the associations.

As long as the players aren't under contract the GAA are toothless

 

[greengrass]

Cool I don't agree at all and that's okay

There is no formal link outside of the international series which hasn't been played since 2013.

Yes there is an overlap with the skills required catching and kicking etc

There is plenty of overlap with other sports too. Basketball, Football Rugby. Most likely the real transferrible skill is athleticism.



Only from the perspective of the GAA which has hegemony Ireland. There is a couple of stories every few years about pro athletes coming home to play GAA.

Rugby and Soccer and Athletics and Swimming, Golf, Cricket, Tennis and pretty much every other sport would all say that its the GAA tries to keep an exclusive hold on talent. Christ we even get that talk about Gaelic Footballers who want to be hurlers.

i dont mean to sound overly critical the competition for resources is kind of natural if a bit sub optimal.

I don't really see what kind of agreement the GAA and the AFL could come to. That the AFL could perhaps use GAA facilities for training camps or scouting combines for an agreement to release players at end of season?

Again because of its Amatuer status the GAA literally don't have a leg to stand on so why would the AFL pony up any cash. Why should they.

The only parallel I see with NZ or French teams signing islanders is that they are offering a path to professionalism not available to them in their home place. That's it.

Your point about how scouting happens in a different code is more geography than anything else. Plenty of players get signed to Union from League and Vice versa. Plenty of historic linkages between those sports and even plenty of compromise rules exhibition series but it's the players who move codes not the associations.

As long as the players aren't under contract the GAA are toothless

Are caoimhin kellehers Cork club amateur or pro?

 

[El Guapo]

Are caoimhin kellehers Cork club amateur or pro?

Did ringmahon get cash when he signed for the Liverpool Academy?

it's very possible they did. But if they did it likely relates to some Fifa or Uefa or EPL rule and not out of a desire to pay compensation for developing a player

 

[Henrys Fonda]

Did ringmahon get cash when he signed for the Liverpool Academy?

it's very possible they did. But if they did it likely relates to some Fifa or Uefa or EPL rule and not out of a desire to pay compensation for developing a player

30k and a sell on clause of 20%.
Failing to see what relevance it has to what is discussed here though, it's the same sport governed by the same organisation

 

[greengrass]

30k and a sell on clause of 20%.
Failing to see what relevance it has to what is discussed here though, it's the same sport governed by the same organisation

Maybe but it's amateur v pro which guapo says is central to this.

 

[El Guapo]

Maybe but it's amateur v pro which guapo says is central to this.

it is central but so is the fact that AFL and GAA are different codes with different governing bodies.

So a more appropriate question would the be the hypothetical would Munster or the IRFU have compensated Ringmahon if they were to sign a young Kelleher.

There is no formal link. if you want to create one on what basis can you do so for players who are not paid.

How could you ever justify a player from not going pro when he isnt being paid to stay?

 

[North Cork Star]

Nudie Hughes died today. Great player. Won all stars as back and forward. RIP.

A superb footballer. Loved his runs up the field. He helped put Monaghan football on the map in the 1980s. Won 3 Ulster titles, 1 NFL and 3 All Stars. Rest in peace.

 

[greengrass]

it is central but so is the fact that AFL and GAA are different codes with different governing bodies.

So a more appropriate question would the be the hypothetical would Munster or the IRFU have compensated Ringmahon if they were to sign a young Kelleher.

There is no formal link. if you want to create one on what basis can you do so for players who are not paid.

How could you ever justify a player from not going pro when he isnt being paid to stay?

All I'm saying is that the Gaa should be taking advantage of the fact that the Aussies are very keen on Gaelic footballers playing their sport. They should use whatever clout they have to benefit from this. If they don't succeed well and good but trying to make a case that they shouldn't because one is amateur and the other isn't or that they are different organisations is irrelevant.

 

[Henrys Fonda]

All I'm saying is that the Gaa should be taking advantage of the fact that the Aussies are very keen on Gaelic footballers playing their sport. They should use whatever clout they have to benefit from this. If they don't succeed well and good but trying to make a case that they shouldn't because one is amateur and the other isn't or that they are different organisations is irrelevant.

The GAA don't own the players, they have no clout.