The County Board Complaints Thread

[red&blue]

Agreed on the need for a full-time coach. I assume your thinking is that the CCB would designate which schools go with the new/small club. That would have to be sold v carefully to the local community though. You're talking in some cases about children who are already with one club, or who's brothers or friends are already there, being assigned to another. It's possible but would need serious buy-in.

absolutely! im not saying my ideas are not without issues, they are just my ideas on how to grow participation in larger urban areas

as i said on a previous post you could introduce a cap on the amount of players that any club can register per year, somewhere around 30/35 maybe? Any other boys them join the second club in the area

You are probably only talking about Ballincollig, Douglas, Sars, Carrigaline having the numbers to support a second club, possibly Midleton too

That example actually illustrates the kinds of practical issues which would need to be skirted. There's one (smaller) school close to Dripsey. To make your suggestion work a school closer to Ballincollig would need to be assigned to Dripsey as well. That could face some amount of push-back.

agreed, we are not starting with a blank canvas here, but i think we are all agreed something along these lines should be done

If you had boys attending Togher NS, I doubt you'd be happy to learn that they'd be handed over to, say, Ballyphehane.*

of course i wouldnt, but my club would be no different to anywhere else, if it needed to happen it should happen

Just so its on the record here, a second club should be fully functioning in our area, alot of reasons why its not but the lack of foresight by the board is probably the biggest one

It's not just Dripsey/Ballincollig either. A quick look at that map posted a few pages back suggests there'd be a similar problem for Rochestown and Douglas.

Douglas are a great club but because of lack of space they cant cooe with the numbers they get. That area of the city is crying out for a second club. Have you ever heard that discussed by the board? me neither

* But at least not to Imokilly

Theres no fear of Imokilly and the huge numbers they have at Pairc Ui Uibh Mac Coille every Saturday morning

 

[peopleluas]

I love the contributions here on ideas for radically increasing player participation. Of course there are all sorts of obstacles, and some ideas mightn't work and could even have unintended consequences - trying is a risk, not trying is a bigger risk. But as a great man once said "it always seems impossible until it's done", and it sure seems like even though we all have loyalties to our own clubs, that an awful lot of us have a greater loyalty to increased player participation in general, and the good things that this should bring for boys and young (and perhaps not so young) men.

(Girls and women too - but at present this thread is about the GAA Cork County Board and until the upcoming amalgamation of the sporting bodies I want to stay on topic for this thread)

 

[Killyoursons]

absolutely! im not saying my ideas are not without issues, they are just my ideas on how to grow participation in larger urban areas

as i said on a previous post you could introduce a cap on the amount of players that any club can register per year, somewhere around 30/35 maybe? Any other boys them join the second club in the area

You are probably only talking about Ballincollig, Douglas, Sars, Carrigaline having the numbers to support a second club, possibly Midleton too

agreed, we are not starting with a blank canvas here, but i think we are all agreed something along these lines should be done

of course i wouldnt, but my club would be no different to anywhere else, if it needed to happen it should happen

Just so its on the record here, a second club should be fully functioning in our area, alot of reasons why its not but the lack of foresight by the board is probably the biggest one

Douglas are a great club but because of lack of space they cant cooe with the numbers they get. That area of the city is crying out for a second club. Have you ever heard that discussed by the board? me neither

Theres no fear of Imokilly and the huge numbers they have at Pairc Ui Uibh Mac Coille every Saturday morning

That's a v fair response, thanks.

I've been stressing the need for local buy-in, but I think the way to get that started might be with the CCB acknowledging there is a problem here which needs to be addressed, which is in some ways the mirror image of the problems which led to underage amalgamations. Acknowledge that and invite proposals. There's a chance that a consensus won't be reached, but without an open discussion which the powers that be take seriously, there'll be no chance at all.

 

[red&blue]

That's a v fair response, thanks.

I've been stressing the need for local buy-in, but I think the way to get that started might be with the CCB acknowledging there is a problem here which needs to be addressed, which is in some ways the mirror image of the problems which led to underage amalgamations. Acknowledge that and invite proposals. There's a chance that a consensus won't be reached, but without an open discussion which the powers that be take seriously, there'll be no chance at all.

this has to come from the top, it wont work otherwise, but you’re right, the board would have to try bring everyone with them rather than force this on anyone, if they can.

Alas i dont see it happening, im not even sure if the board see these issues to be homest. Rather than start looking at amalgamations, which i think is the right thing to do, maybe they should be having a broader review including what we are discussing

 

[peopleluas]

To cater for the very important tradition and club loyalty of the very large clubs we're discussing here, and to optimize resources (playing pitches and the like) perhaps the following approach might be interesting?

For a start: Once a club reaches premier senior in any grade, and has more than X (value of X to be determined) registered players turning 8 in the calendar year, then the club must field geographically-partitioned teams. Starting with that age group, and continuing up with them all the way up to and including adulthood so that after say 14 years or more there are partitioned teams at every level. The club may also field club-wide teams at the following grades, and a player playing for a partitioned team may also play for the club-wide team provided the club-wide team is in a higher grade competition (in practice these will be the best players):

• A single adult team
• A single u18 team, perhaps...

So take Ballincollig for example. You would end up with a number of Ballincollig teams eventually all the way up to adulthood, say:

• Coolroe, Ballincollig
• The Village, Ballincollig
• Powder Mills, Ballincollig
• Carriginarra, Ballincollig

They would all play in Ballincollig colours, except when playing each other (in which there would be a toss to determine which team plays with the away Ballincollig jerseys).

And you'd still have an overall Ballincollig team at adulthood. Almost like a divisional team, but of course with far deeper loyalty.

I probably have the details of this all wrong, but you see the general idea, and perhaps somebody can improve on it.

 

[red&blue]

To cater for the very important tradition and club loyalty of the very large clubs we're discussing here, and to optimize resources (playing pitches and the like) perhaps the following approach might be interesting?

For a start: Once a club reaches premier senior in any grade, and has more than X (value of X to be determined) registered players turning 8 in the calendar year, then the club must field geographically-partitioned teams. Starting with that age group, and continuing up with them all the way up to and including adulthood so that after say 14 years or more there are partitioned teams at every level. The club may also field club-wide teams at the following grades, and a player playing for a partitioned team may also play for the club-wide team provided the club-wide team is in a higher grade competition (in practice these will be the best players):

• A single adult team
• A single u18 team, perhaps...

So take Ballincollig for example. You would end up with a number of Ballincollig teams eventually all the way up to adulthood, say:

• Coolroe, Ballincollig
• The Village, Ballincollig
• Powder Mills, Ballincollig
• Carriginarra, Ballincollig

They would all play in Ballincollig colours, except when playing each other (in which there would be a toss to determine which team plays with the away Ballincollig jerseys).

And you'd still have an overall Ballincollig team at adulthood. Almost like a divisional team, but of course with far deeper loyalty.

I probably have the details of this all wrong, but you see the general idea, and perhaps somebody can improve on it.

this sounds a bit like the old u13 D competitions in the city which were in fact u12 teams with local names representing their club

The Barrs had 3 teams who were based in different areas of our community Glashhen (based in Wilton and Glasheen), Dyefield (based in Togher and Ballyphehane and Bandon Road (based in The Lough and Greenmount)

The matches between these 3 teams were as fierce as any Barrs v Glen game!

Its a very interesting concept and one i think has alot of merits, it retains the connection to the club while giving all players game time which means less drop off

I think this could be something worth trying up to under 15 with club teams then being formed at u16.

But all clubs would have to do the same and enter the appropriate amount of teams for their players and there be no connection to playing premier senior, treat everyone the same

The prblem I see with it is for instance my own club the Barrs would struggle to have enough for 2 teams on the age never mind 3. So what happens the weaker players who invariably will be the ones to lose out?

Fair play!

 

[Reservedcitizen]

To cater for the very important tradition and club loyalty of the very large clubs we're discussing here, and to optimize resources (playing pitches and the like) perhaps the following approach might be interesting?

For a start: Once a club reaches premier senior in any grade, and has more than X (value of X to be determined) registered players turning 8 in the calendar year, then the club must field geographically-partitioned teams. Starting with that age group, and continuing up with them all the way up to and including adulthood so that after say 14 years or more there are partitioned teams at every level. The club may also field club-wide teams at the following grades, and a player playing for a partitioned team may also play for the club-wide team provided the club-wide team is in a higher grade competition (in practice these will be the best players):

• A single adult team
• A single u18 team, perhaps...

So take Ballincollig for example. You would end up with a number of Ballincollig teams eventually all the way up to adulthood, say:

• Coolroe, Ballincollig
• The Village, Ballincollig
• Powder Mills, Ballincollig
• Carriginarra, Ballincollig

They would all play in Ballincollig colours, except when playing each other (in which there would be a toss to determine which team plays with the away Ballincollig jerseys).

And you'd still have an overall Ballincollig team at adulthood. Almost like a divisional team, but of course with far deeper loyalty.

I probably have the details of this all wrong, but you see the general idea, and perhaps somebody can improve on it.

Very well put. And something to stop the issues with streaming etc.
There is no reason the super clubs in Cork don't pool the teams by primary school, instead of going A, B, C etc. Whenever the time comes to put them into 1 team, so be it, but keep them local as long as possible.

 

[Reservedcitizen]

this sounds a bit like the old u13 D competitions in the city which were in fact u12 teams with local names representing their club

The Barrs had 3 teams who were based in different areas of our community Glashhen (based in Wilton and Glasheen), Dyefield (based in Togher and Ballyphehane and Bandon Road (based in The Lough and Greenmount)

The matches between these 3 teams were as fierce as any Barrs v Glen game!

Its a very interesting concept and one i think has alot of merits, it retains the connection to the club while giving all players game time which means less drop off

I think this could be something worth trying up to under 15 with club teams then being formed at u16.

But all clubs would have to do the same and enter the appropriate amount of teams for their players and there be no connection to playing premier senior, treat everyone the same

The prblem I see with it is for instance my own club the Barrs would struggle to have enough for 2 teams on the age never mind 3. So what happens the weaker players who invariably will be the ones to lose out?

Fair play!

This is the kind of thing we need a new thread on. I am not from the city but has heard of a Ballinlough team in the past that played up until U12. Heard nothing or couldn't find anything else on it but would love to know more, and what were the teams in it etc.

 

[Megelus]

This is the kind of thing we need a new thread on. I am not from the city but has heard of a Ballinlough team in the past that played up until U12. Heard nothing or couldn't find anything else on it but would love to know more, and what were the teams in it etc.

From an old first hand account - in the late 60s/early 70s there was abit of a push to establish a Ballinlough club, it was essentially blocked by the Rockies who stood to lose players from there. (Note: It was the club who blocked it but the players themselves may have influenced the club to do so, this point is one I don't have any testimony on)

From my own recollection there was an underage setup for a few years at one stage in the 90s but it amounted to very little, maybe one or two teams for a few years.

 

[The Highway Man]

From an old first hand account - in the late 60s/early 70s there was abit of a push to establish a Ballinlough club, it was essentially blocked by the Rockies who stood to lose players from there. (Note: It was the club who blocked it but the players themselves may have influenced the club to do so, this point is one I don't have any testimony on)

From my own recollection there was an underage setup for a few years at one stage in the 90s but it amounted to very little, maybe one or two teams for a few years.

There was Mid 90's. Used to play in Ballinlough. Mainly lads from St Anthony's who had no club yet.