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Does Frank Need To Go


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I think GAA HQ are getting off very lightly in the discussion around this in terms of their responsibility to ensure the long term sustainability and effective management and use of the stadium. In fact, the overall principle of how the burden and responsibilities for stadiums, especially in bigger counties, fall on County Boards requires a total overhaul.

The largest and by far wealthiest, County unit in the GAA benefits for having a home stadium being owned and managed by the GAA itself. It can pay the rent, and make a major profit from attendances. It has never needed to consider to need to build a significant stadium to ensure it can cater for crowds at their biggest home games. Absolutely no liability or risk, yet massive benefits.

Contrast that with the position of the next biggest unit, Cork, where a stadium of a reasonably significant size was required given the population of the County. The one we had was falling apart and something needed to happen. Unlike Counties in and around Dublin, or even say Clare where most of the population is within handy distance of the Gaelic Grounds, we're too far from other major grounds.

We could go on all day about the rights and (mainly) wrongs about the project we went ahead with, how Frank and Bob managed it, or how O'Donovan has managed it since. But it's the GAA itself should always have been leading on this, and they should be now too. It should be a stadium under the ownership and management of the GAA, with Cork using it the same way Dublin use Croke Park.

Dublin GAA's CEO isn't going around worrying about getting some global artists to play in an awkward size stadium, or begging provincial councils or the GAA to fix a few matches for their stadium to help pay the overheads. Ours shouldn't be bogged down in that position either.

It's similar to what's happening with Casement. The GAA have been totally hands off on that, instead of taking the ownership they should do on it and delivering a proper home for Ulster GAA. That, and PUC, should be under GAA ownership and management the same way as Croke Park.

What happens in years to come with Semple Stadium when it starts requiring major investment? Does that start falling on Tipperary GAA to manage the refurbishment and upkeep of a modern 50K stadium?

To be honest, as a County, I would like us to be much more forceful about this, and less fucking apologetic.

The support that Cork GAA is bringing to matches is making an enormous contribution to the GAA's profits, nevermind what cash we've thrown at GAA+. Yet any attempt to fix matches in PUC is made out to be alms for the poor.

Events we have had at PUC, including the major matches, have been fantastic for the City. I'm pretty sure a financial analysis would show the €30 million in public monies has washed itself.

Cork GAA could hand back the keys of PUC to Bank of Ireland in the morning. Yet, whoever takes it on will be almost fully reliant on Cork GAA playing games there as it's the only reliable show in town. Rugby has turned its back on Cork, the FAI are only happy to send the women down the odd time. And the GAA itself is afraid of the bitching and moaning from other Counties to fix any matches there.

So let Croke Park deal with it, and give us the same benefits they're happy to give the Dubs. They can start fixing Donegal matches there and drive Jimmy demented while they're at it.
Outstanding post. The only thing I'd add though is I'm not sure if Dublin actually is the biggest unit in the association. It might be us.
 
Outstanding post. The only thing I'd add though is I'm not sure if Dublin actually is the biggest unit in the association. It might be us.
Dubs turnover is twice Corks. They are double the size of us. We both have about the same number of clubs alright.
Dublin has a huge problem with the lack of playing pitches
 
Dubs turnover is twice Corks. They are double the size of us. We both have about the same number of clubs alright.
Dublin has a huge problem with the lack of playing pitches
There are nearly twice as many clubs in Cork as Dublin.

I don't know the corresponding figures for football but there are 26000 hurlers in Cork and 13000 in Dublin. I'd find it extremely hard to believe that ratio would be reversed in football.

Regarding turnover I'm not sure if figures are readily available but where Dublin are more than twice the size of Cork is commercial income at 2.1 million to 900k. Whatever way you slice it and dice it though to say overall that Dublin GAA is twice the size of Cork is total bullshit.
 
There are nearly twice as many clubs in Cork as Dublin.

I don't know the corresponding figures for football but there are 26000 hurlers in Cork and 13000 in Dublin. I'd find it extremely hard to believe that ratio would be reversed in football.

Regarding turnover I'm not sure if figures are readily available but where Dublin are more than twice the size of Cork is commercial income at 2.1 million to 900k. Whatever way you slice it and dice it though to say overall that Dublin GAA is twice the size of Cork is total bullshit.
Maybe Look up the figures before you start calling things out as bullshit.. 👌
 
Maybe Look up the figures before you start calling things out as bullshit.. 👌
Cork has 259 clubs, Dublin has 134.

It's nigh on impossible to find membership numbers by county, or numbers of players but there are 2836 GAA teams in Cork compared to 1886 in Dublin, so the likelihood of Dublin having more players than Cork is nigh on impossible really. The hurling census in 2022 had 26,500 hurlers in Cork compared to 13,980 in Dublin.

Income wise Dublin is at a clear advantage, that's true and I quoted the figures above on commercial income if you read that but the claims that Dublin are twice the size of us as a unit of the association and have the same number of clubs are simply nonsense, and easily refuted.
 
Cork has 259 clubs, Dublin has 134.

It's nigh on impossible to find membership numbers by county, or numbers of players but there are 2836 GAA teams in Cork compared to 1886 in Dublin, so the likelihood of Dublin having more players than Cork is nigh on impossible really. The hurling census in 2022 had 26,500 hurlers in Cork compared to 13,980 in Dublin.

Income wise Dublin is at a clear advantage, that's true and I quoted the figures above on commercial income if you read that but the claims that Dublin are twice the size of us as a unit of the association and have the same number of clubs are simply nonsense, and easily refuted.
Look up the number of actual clubs again in Cork.
Some GAA clubs have as many as 3 registrations an underage, an amalgamation and senior are all registered and recorded as different clubs. Most clubs just register as 1.
This was all discussed in massive detail on PROC a couple of years ago. I believe the correct figure is somewhere around 150/160 clubs in Cork.

Think about it.. there are 60 odd clubs playing senior down to premier junior level .. about another 60/70 at Junior A/B level plus a few stragglers registered but only entering special comps or not fielding all the time. There are 20% more clubs playing football than hurling in Cork.
 
The distinction between Cork and Dublin, regardless of the numbers, is Cork's playing numbers and clubs is made up of far more "traditional" rural clubs, compared to Dublin who have a smaller number of larger urban clubs.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Rural clubs get a much greater involvement from more of the their community than urban clubs.

However, larger urban clubs are economic powerhouses who generate major income.
 
Cork's playing numbers and clubs is made up of far more "traditional" rural clubs,
Spot on.. There are some very small rural clubs in Cork officially registered as 2 or even 3 different clubs.
The Barrs, Nemo, Bishopstown and Douglas are single registrations. The Glen/Nicks and Rockies/Micks are 2 registrations.
 
Look up the number of actual clubs again in Cork.
Some GAA clubs have as many as 3 registrations an underage, an amalgamation and senior are all registered and recorded as different clubs. Most clubs just register as 1.
This was all discussed in massive detail on PROC a couple of years ago. I believe the correct figure is somewhere around 150/160 clubs in Cork.

Think about it.. there are 60 odd clubs playing senior down to premier junior level .. about another 60/70 at Junior A/B level plus a few stragglers registered but only entering special comps or not fielding all the time. There are 20% more clubs playing football than hurling in Cork.
But sure that's the same in every county ffs. I know a fair bit about the Dublin scene and within that number you have clubs that haven't fielded a team in years, works teams and all sorts of things.

The best data we have is registered teams. This is from the GAA annual report for 2025. It's extremely unlikely based on these numbers that there are as many people playing gaelic games in Dublin as there are in Cork. How you choose to somehow translate that into Dublin being twice the size is up to you. Where Dublin does excel is in terms of central funding (in the past, less so now) and commercial income generation (and I'd say with 60,000 travelling up today Cork should be hoping to close that gap a bit anyway before long), and the advantage of not having a huge debt to service on their home stadium.
 

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The distinction between Cork and Dublin, regardless of the numbers, is Cork's playing numbers and clubs is made up of far more "traditional" rural clubs, compared to Dublin who have a smaller number of larger urban clubs.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Rural clubs get a much greater involvement from more of the their community than urban clubs.

However, larger urban clubs are economic powerhouses who generate major income.
Costs of running a large urban club in Dublin are crazy though.

Your members have insane expectations compared to what most of us would be used to. Everything costs a fucking fortune and as you allude to, you get far less involvement and free labour than you might in other parts of the country. For a lot of parents and families GAA is just another activity like piano or ballet lessons or drama or whatever and they expect a commercial level of service. And as JBS points out the costs being paid in rent and for land are nuts. The amount Cuala pay in rent to other clubs in Wicklow keeps those clubs afloat. Cuala are a superb club but buying land in their backyard is the most expensive in Ireland.

The DCB in their post Jim Gavin complacency is far more interested in building centres of excellence with 4 or 5 pitches either sides of the liffey in Spawell and Hollystown rather than what is actually needed which is 20 or 30 pitches along the motorway.
 
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