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Does Frank Need To Go


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You're right. Taxpayer money was provided for the project. If it hadn't been, this ill-judged venture wouldn't have seen road. Throwing good money after bad won't resolve it. That doesn't mean that central government won't provide a "solution" in the next few years. JBS mentions that BOI might step in at some stage. But what would they be able to do with it?
Exactly and that’s ignoring one key aspect too. The GAA is a cultural institution with a huge membership. If BOI were to seize it for example there’d be considerable public outcry and they’d be seizing something that’s never going to turn a profit. I can’t see the GAA nationally letting this fall out of GAA hands. Look at the outcry last year when they went to rename it, imagine what would happen if they had to sell it.
 
BOI could step in and take the stadium and most likely sell it.
They are owed something like €20m plus interest.
Cork have the capacity to at best pay only the interest. The bank are never going to get their €20m.
In these circumstances the bank would take a view.. and it might be they are better off selling it for 10,20 or even 30m..
that happens every day of the year
They'll be content with the interest for the moment.
Let the GAA buy it. They were happy enough with Frank's input for years.
In 2024, Croke Park Stadium generated €59.7 million. A nice chunk of that came from Cork pockets.
 
Some of the rubbish headline grabbing grand statements we've had to listen to over the last few years:


Cork launch 'One Cork' with the aim to raise €20m in the next five years

'We are united; we are Cork GAA, and it’s only half-time'

‘Cork needs a revolution’

'If it's our stadium, it's our debt'

Cork GAA says €33m Páirc Uí Chaoimh debt is 'not frightening'


There is no real accountability in Cork Gaa for what is been said - we haven't seen much of the €20million
Some people are now being shown to be really out of there depth
 
Some of the rubbish headline grabbing grand statements we've had to listen to over the last few years:


Cork launch 'One Cork' with the aim to raise €20m in the next five years

'We are united; we are Cork GAA, and it’s only half-time'

‘Cork needs a revolution’

'If it's our stadium, it's our debt'

Cork GAA says €33m Páirc Uí Chaoimh debt is 'not frightening'


There is no real accountability in Cork Gaa for what is been said - we haven't seen much of the €20million
Some people are now being shown to be really out of there depth
To be fair. It's an inherited problem with no real solution.
Frank proper f**ked anyone who would be on the board after him and the clubs and the teams and all the members. No money left for any of them, just a big white elephant and crippling debts.
Thanks Frank.
 
I think GAA HQ are getting off very lightly in the discussion around this in terms of their responsibility to ensure the long term sustainability and effective management and use of the stadium. In fact, the overall principle of how the burden and responsibilities for stadiums, especially in bigger counties, fall on County Boards requires a total overhaul.

The largest and by far wealthiest, County unit in the GAA benefits for having a home stadium being owned and managed by the GAA itself. It can pay the rent, and make a major profit from attendances. It has never needed to consider to need to build a significant stadium to ensure it can cater for crowds at their biggest home games. Absolutely no liability or risk, yet massive benefits.

Contrast that with the position of the next biggest unit, Cork, where a stadium of a reasonably significant size was required given the population of the County. The one we had was falling apart and something needed to happen. Unlike Counties in and around Dublin, or even say Clare where most of the population is within handy distance of the Gaelic Grounds, we're too far from other major grounds.

We could go on all day about the rights and (mainly) wrongs about the project we went ahead with, how Frank and Bob managed it, or how O'Donovan has managed it since. But it's the GAA itself should always have been leading on this, and they should be now too. It should be a stadium under the ownership and management of the GAA, with Cork using it the same way Dublin use Croke Park.

Dublin GAA's CEO isn't going around worrying about getting some global artists to play in an awkward size stadium, or begging provincial councils or the GAA to fix a few matches for their stadium to help pay the overheads. Ours shouldn't be bogged down in that position either.

It's similar to what's happening with Casement. The GAA have been totally hands off on that, instead of taking the ownership they should do on it and delivering a proper home for Ulster GAA. That, and PUC, should be under GAA ownership and management the same way as Croke Park.

What happens in years to come with Semple Stadium when it starts requiring major investment? Does that start falling on Tipperary GAA to manage the refurbishment and upkeep of a modern 50K stadium?

To be honest, as a County, I would like us to be much more forceful about this, and less fucking apologetic.

The support that Cork GAA is bringing to matches is making an enormous contribution to the GAA's profits, nevermind what cash we've thrown at GAA+. Yet any attempt to fix matches in PUC is made out to be alms for the poor.

Events we have had at PUC, including the major matches, have been fantastic for the City. I'm pretty sure a financial analysis would show the €30 million in public monies has washed itself.

Cork GAA could hand back the keys of PUC to Bank of Ireland in the morning. Yet, whoever takes it on will be almost fully reliant on Cork GAA playing games there as it's the only reliable show in town. Rugby has turned its back on Cork, the FAI are only happy to send the women down the odd time. And the GAA itself is afraid of the bitching and moaning from other Counties to fix any matches there.

So let Croke Park deal with it, and give us the same benefits they're happy to give the Dubs. They can start fixing Donegal matches there and drive Jimmy demented while they're at it.
 
Just to back up my last point above - safe to say at least 60K of today's crowd are Cork fans.

At a conservative average of €45 a head, that's €2.7 million.

If I was Kevin O'Donovan I'd be getting my Charts printed off and going full Trump on this shit.
 
I think Croke Park took over the running of Pairc Ui Chaoimh from Cork Gaa in 2018.

It was a costly mistake from Donovan to take it back from Croke Park.

He obviously thought that he could manage the €30million debt. But his lack of experience showed, going from Farmer / Coaching Administrator to Farmer / CEO is a big jump.

I would also agree that Donovan should be looking more to Croke Park than the Government for help.
 
where a stadium of a reasonably significant size was required given the population of the County.
That’s an astonishing statement. It was always clear since the late 1970s when Cork was effectively bankrupt after PUC1 and all the ways since then right through the planning and development phase of this new stadium that Cork couldn’t justify or afford this stadium, a fact proven over and over.
It's similar to what's happening with Casement. The GAA have been totally hands off on that, instead of taking the ownership they should do on it and delivering a proper home for Ulster GAA.
Nonsense. Clones is the home of Ulster GAA.
The GAA should be spending more money there. Casement is politics.

What happens in years to come with Semple Stadium when it starts requiring major investment? Does that start falling on Tipperary GAA to manage the refurbishment and upkeep of a modern 50K stadium?
Nonsense.
Have you any clue at all as to the tens of millions that Cork have revived from the GAA HQ for PUC?
On top
Of that do you not know that Cork GAA in the last 10 years have received almost double the amount of stadium grants from the Munster Council than the rest of the Munster counties combined? €4m v €2m

Cork GAA could hand back the keys of PUC to Bank of Ireland in the morning.
And the Bank can then sell it to the IRFU or FAI for their €20m or even €1. How does that benefit Cork GAA and the people of Cork?
 
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