The Cost of Incompetence

[Bennyton]

Unreal article here by Sinead O'Sullivan: Ireland's Failure Premium

HAP assists, but only the landlord. Help to Buy helps, but only the developer. The energy credit goes straight to Bord Gáis. The National Treatment Purchase Fund clears public waiting lists by paying private hospitals. The childcare subsidy flows to private creche operators charging €1,200 a month. The IPAS contract goes to the hotel owner at €99 a night. The restaurant VAT reduction goes to the commercial landlord at the next rent review. The agency nurse premium goes to the recruitment firm. The affordable housing equity stake compensates the buyer for a price that… the state itself inflated!

She perfectly captures all that is wrong with our government, which is a complete lack of ambition, and basically bracing itself for the next bust at all times.

Pasthal was so worried about another recession, that he completely wasted a boom, we have fuck all to show for the last 8 years.

If you're voting FFG, can I remind you again, that you have fucked both generations after you, who won't feel too bad about fucking you when it comes to your state pension.

 

[Hallbopping]

Unreal article here by Sinead O'Sullivan: Ireland's Failure Premium



She perfectly captures all that is wrong with our government, which is a complete lack of ambition, and basically bracing itself for the next bust at all times.

Pasthal was so worried about another recession, that he completely wasted a boom, we have fuck all to show for the last 8 years.

If you're voting FFG, can I remind you again, that you have fucked both generations after you, who won't feel too bad about fucking you when it comes to your state pension.

There are some factual errors in that which must be pointed out. Her characterisation of the childcare subsidy is simply wrong. The subsidy follows the child and reduces childcare costs for parents, that’s a fact. I’m a parent who benefits from the NCS and when the last subsidy increase went through the cost of sending my son to pre-school every month dropped by €30. The ECCE subsidy further reduces costs to parents.

Oh and before anyone thinks that I’m stumping for FF here. The increases NCS subsidy was a Green Party initiative pushed through by Roderic O’Gorman.

 

[White Van Man]

Never assume incompetence is the only explanation when dealing with our government and its services. Admittedly there is a huge amount of incompetence, but...

HAP assists, but only the landlord.

The restaurant VAT reduction goes to the commercial landlord at the next rent review.

The IPAS contract goes to the hotel owner at €99 a night.

Our politicians are landlords. They're looking after their own interests.

Help to Buy helps, but only the developer.

The affordable housing equity stake compensates the buyer for a price that… the state itself inflated!

Our politicians' friends are developers. They're looking after their friends' interests.

There are some factual errors in that which must be pointed out. Her characterisation of the childcare subsidy is simply wrong.

Where's the factual error in this?

The childcare subsidy flows to private creche operators charging €1,200 a month.

The point the author's making is that, as usual, the State is enriching private companies doing a job the State could (and should) be doing. The largest creche operators in the State are owned by private equity - that money the State's paying is going to some teachers retirement fund in Ontario.

 

[Hallbopping]

Never assume incompetence is the only explanation when dealing with our government and its services. Admittedly there is a huge amount of incompetence, but...



Our politicians are landlords. They're looking after their own interests.



Our politicians' friends are developers. They're looking after their friends' interests.



Where's the factual error in this?


The point the author's making is that, as usual, the State is enriching private companies doing a job the State could (and should) be doing. The largest creche operators in the State are owned by private equity - that money the State's paying is going to some teachers retirement fund in Ontario.

The state should be directly providing childcare? Are you really suggesting that this would improve the quality of childcare provision? Without a huge increase in personal taxes how is the state going to fund this? We can’t even fully fund education or health so what makes you think childcare would be any different?

The subsidies reduce the amount childcare providers charge. That’s a fact.

 

[White Van Man]

The state should be directly providing childcare? Are you really suggesting that this would improve the quality of childcare provision? Without a huge increase in personal taxes how is the state going to fund this? We can’t even fully fund education or health so what makes you think childcare would be any different?

The subsidies reduce the amount childcare providers charge. That’s a fact.

Its noticeable in your replies that your something of a bullshit artist who likes introducing irrelevant considerations or putting words in people’s mouths.

You may be too young to remember “baby infants” class in national school which preceded junior infants. And that was back in a time before both parents worked. Other countries’ governments manage to provide childcare, why can’t ours?

I didn’t claim anything about increasing the quality of childcare - you came up with that on your own. Although the issues of private childcare quality and vetting of private childcare staff have been in the news lately…

Increase in personal taxes? How do you figure we need to do that? We’re already paying private companies MORE than it would cost to bring services in-house. And that’s not just in terms of childcare. You obviously didn’t read the article you’re commenting on.

 

[Hallbopping]

Its noticeable in your replies that your something of a bullshit artist who likes introducing irrelevant considerations or putting words in people’s mouths.

Translation.

You disagree with me therefore you are full of shit.

Since you’re not willing to discuss in good faith I won’t be either. Have a good day.

 

[Bennyton]

The state should be directly providing childcare? Are you really suggesting that this would improve the quality of childcare provision? Without a huge increase in personal taxes how is the state going to fund this? We can’t even fully fund education or health so what makes you think childcare would be any different?

The subsidies reduce the amount childcare providers charge. That’s a fact.

Up North the subsidies allow the childcare provisioners up here to raise their rates.

NI govt gives a 10% discount, the creche raises prices by 10% of the same day, if you earn over 50k, then you don't get anything, so you get stung.

The net beneficiary are the creche owners.

Creche prices per day went from 46 to 78 per day per child for my kids, over the last 4 years.

Across Europe, Ireland and the UK are lagging severely behind when it comes to this, this is definitely something we should see carried out by the state, of course it is, it's leading to people having less kids, or no kids.

Same with gaffs, its almostl ike the state are single handedly fuelling the propblem at every point.

Loads of regulation, no ownership, slow bureaucracy, slow planning, high subsidies for landlords, no enforcement of tenant rights or vacant property taxes.

Then you can talk about the Primary healthcare centre in Woollen Mills in Douglas, like, again, it looks like the state isn't doing the things it should be doing here.

It's just paying some private entity, which is going to make some individuals rich, it costs the state more, and the state doesn't own anything or do anything in the long run, you and I are paying for that.

Then the Airbnb legislation, they're kicking up a fuss now, don't want to bring it in, I wonder how many of the cunts are landlords on AirBnB

 

[Hallbopping]

Up North the subsidies allow the childcare provisioners up here to raise their rates.

NI govt gives a 10% discount, the creche raises prices by 10% of the same day, if you earn over 50k, then you don't get anything, so you get stung.

The net beneficiary are the creche owners.

Creche prices per day went from 46 to 78 per day per child for my kids, over the last 4 years.

Across Europe, Ireland and the UK are lagging severely behind when it comes to this, this is definitely something we should see carried out by the state, of course it is, it's leading to people having less kids, or no kids.

Same with gaffs, its almostl ike the state are single handedly fuelling the propblem at every point.

Loads of regulation, no ownership, slow bureaucracy, slow planning, high subsidies for landlords, no enforcement of tenant rights or vacant property taxes.

Then you can talk about the Primary healthcare centre in Woollen Mills in Douglas, like, again, it looks like the state isn't doing the things it should be doing here.

It's just paying some private entity, which is going to make some individuals rich, it costs the state more, and the state doesn't own anything or do anything in the long run, you and I are paying for that.

Then the Airbnb legislation, they're kicking up a fuss now, don't want to bring it in, I wonder how many of the cunts are landlords on AirBnB

That’s up north. The NCS scheme shows exactly what the state pays for childcare here. On my fridge right now is a document from the pre school showing the following:

Gross charges
NCS subsidy
ECCE subsidy
Net cost to me.

If we want the state to take over the running of these facilities and fund through general taxation then we need to have honest conversations about personal taxation. Cutting taxes goes directly against funding services. The cost to me every week would need to be met by the tax payer. And that’s before we’d ever have a conversation about how under paid childcare workers are.

 

[Bennyton]

That’s up north. The NCS scheme shows exactly what the state pays for childcare here. On my fridge right now is a document from the pre school showing the following:

Gross charges
NCS subsidy
ECCE subsidy
Net cost to me.

If we want the state to take over the running of these facilities and fund through general taxation then we need to have honest conversations about personal taxation. Cutting taxes goes directly against funding services. The cost to me every week would need to be met by the tax payer. And that’s before we’d ever have a conversation about how under paid childcare workers are.

I mean, everyone is a child at one stage or another, childcare is good for children, state childcare could be matched with public health programmes, screening for developmental delays, etc.

It could actually streamline a lot of things doing it that way.

outsourcing nursing homes and childcare just funnels profits to private individuals, it doesn't ensure better care.

 

[White Van Man]

Translation.

You disagree with me therefore you are full of shit.

Since you’re not willing to discuss in good faith I won’t be either. Have a good day.

Again, putting words in my mouth to further your arguments

I believe you’re full of shit, but that’s not because you disagree with me. On the rare occasion that you bring facts to an argument, they’re skewed or irrelevant.