Sinn Fein are not a Normal Political Party

[Henrys Fonda]

All the Algarves motorways are now free to use after 10 years of being tolled.
Thats the proper way to do it.

While the measure has been widely welcomed, it is not without financial consequences. According to an analysis by the Technical Project Monitoring Unit (UTAP), supervised by the Ministry of Finance, the end of tolls will increase the costs of Public-Private Partnerships (PPP) by €1.106 billion, which will be covered through taxpayers’ contributions

 

[Yermon]

I had a quick sconce there. Seems his entire primise centred around the UK absorbing all NOrth Ireland debt and paying their pensions
Easy to throw out figures when you make assumptions like that.

Who exactly do you think should pay the debt on pensions when they've been contributing to the british exchequer.

FFS I know people here who worked in the uk for a few years, the vast majority of their working life here, paid a few grand recently to UK, and are going to be getting UK pensions when they retire (as well as their Irish pensions).

Why you think a United Ireland would be saddled with the pension debt for pensions that were contributed to the UK exchequer all along up to reunification is a bit of a mystery - other than to try dismiss something that you're against anyway.

 

[Yermon]

I'd actually love if she ran for president.

It'd be a referendum on Sinn Fein, and they'd lose.

I'd vote for Conor McGregor before I'd vote for this one.

Mary Lou McDonald not ruling herself 'in or out' as Sinn Féin presidential candidate

Sinn Fein leader Mary Lou McDonald has not ruled herself in or out as a possible candidate for the upcoming presidential election, saying the party will have a clearer picture of its intentions within the next month.

m.independent.ie

But you're not a FFG shill

 

[Yermon]

I'd actually feel the SF base would get behind Adams more, post incoming...oh you know all about SF do you Jimmy?

Well you certainly pretend you do jimmy.

Why don't you tell us about FF, the party you support, rather than what you claim to feel about SF who you quite clearly do not support.

 

[Yermon]

All the Algarves motorways are now free to use after 10 years of being tolled.
Thats the proper way to do it.

If the Government at the time entered a PPP deal whereby, as in Portugal, there'd be a type of "sunset clause" where the revenues would cease to go to the Private consortium after a certain number of years. I think they've already made more than double their investment on the Fermoy Bypass, and of course that'll be a revenue stream for the Private company for ever more unless they're bought out. Hopefully, future such PPPs in this country will only have a certain shelf-life before ownership fully returns to the state. Give the private company sufficient funds to pay on their investments certainly, but not to have people over a barrel for centuries to come.

 

[Henrys Fonda]

Who exactly do you think should pay the debt on pensions when they've been contributing to the british exchequer.

I know who exactly should pay them but I'm not assuming that they will.
He left out the fact that there was no agreement with the UK government. So again as per my post it is easy to make assumptions when costing.

Why you think a United Ireland would be saddled with the pension debt for pensions that were contributed to the UK exchequer all along up to reunification is a bit of a mystery

Where did I say that?

other than to try dismiss something that you're against anyway.

I didn't dismiss it, I questioned it's flawed imo logic as there is no agreement as to who is going to cover both pensions and North Ireland debt.
Why did I say I was against it, do you normally make up lies when you mis read or don't understand a chat.

 

[Yermon]

I know who exactly should pay them but I'm not assuming that they will.

Do you not think it would make sense for the UK to continue to pay them? Why on earth do you assume that a) The UK will try saddle a UI with a pension previously contributed to the UK, and b) that UI would accept such a saddling? It would make no sense and if UK want to remain on good terms with the EU they'd be bonkers to even try it - which only Unionists and anti-UIers think would happen.

 

[Henrys Fonda]

Do you not think it would make sense for the UK to continue to pay them? Why on earth do you assume that a) The UK will try saddle a UI with a pension previously contributed to the UK, and b) that UI would accept such a saddling? It would make no sense and if UK want to remain on good terms with the EU they'd be bonkers to even try it - which only Unionists and anti-UIers think would happen.

Maybe if i it put it in simple terms.
You want a build a dividing wall between you and your neighbour. Do you cost the project based on paying half because you assume your neighbour will pay half or do you get agreement first from your neighbour that he will pay half before finalising your cost.

 

[criodain]

@menace404 e.g. in Spain, if you want to drive from Malaga or Granada to Cadiz, you can pay a toll, or get off and drive another motorway, without a toll, not a "main road" like you'd have in Laois when you get off the toll, because it is the only option if you do not want to pay. (The money you would pay on the fuel spent on going off the motorway wouldn't be worth it).
Is the toll money going back into the public coffers in Portugal by chance? Or is it private?

 

[criodain]

And lastly, on the Shannon tunnel, if you want to go across the river without paying the toll, then head down the dock road instead and cross one of the bridges. Simples.

There should be no toll on the Shannon tunnel.