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Frank Coughlan: Masters champ Rory McIlroy represents a unity on this island that brings into question the need for a border poll


Thu 17 Apr 2025 at 02:30


I didn’t intend to stay up. Switched over just as Rory McIroy turned into the back nine at Augusta on Sunday night. Simply to check in. I was curious in a casual way, expecting to snatch a moment of his procession to a Masters title that had eluded him his entire career.
My interest was not as a golf aficionado. I was simply there for the coronation, a happy ending to the movie that was a long time in the making. Golf’s finest finally getting his hand on the Oscar.

That’s eventually what happened, of course, but the drama along the way turned a sporting achievement into something that has, in a matter of days, entered the realm of the epic.

You’d find few who would argue that the Grand Slam winner is possibly the greatest sports star we have ever produced. Up there for sure. It might be an emotional and arbitrary call, made in the first flush of hyperbole, but it feels just about right.



Although born, reared and having golfed in Northern Ireland, Rory McIlloy has, through osmosis or quiet deliberation, made himself available to the entire island of Ireland.


He is a telling example of the hybrid Hiberno-conscious and comfortable with his Britishness and his Irishness at the same time.

These dual identities are often regarded as mutually exclusive, when really they are nothing of the kind. Both can sit happily together, if only we’d let them.

Raised a Catholic in a majority unionist town – he went to a Catholic primary and mixed grammar school – his dual identity sits easily with him now, though he did have to grow into it. In 1972, long before Rory was born, his granduncle Joe McIlroy was murdered at home by the UVF. But this was never allowed to taint or poison his upbringing.

Indeed, when asked in 2010 if he was British or Irish, he told the PGA Tour website: “Pass. I’m Northern Irish, I hold a British passport, so there you go.”



A year earlier, when asked by The Telegraph who he would represent at the Olympics, he said: “I’d probably play for Great Britain.”


As it happened, he represented Ireland in both 2021 and 2024. The choice had weighed on him, though. He told the Sunday Independent in 2015: “Who am I? Where am I from? Where do my loyalties lie? Who am I going to play for? Who do I not want to upset the most?”

In some ways he is representative of a new generation of Northern Catholics and Protestants who refuse to allow themselves to be defined by their bequeathed tribe.

The British Institute for Government noted in 2022 that an astonishing 40pc of Northern Irish adults see themselves as neither unionist nor nationalist, up significantly from around 30pc in 1998.

Maybe when this much-heralded border poll on unity does happen there should be a third box to tick. Something like “Not Bothered”. Or “Fine As I Am, Thanks”.

This cohort might include people like Rory – a boy when the Good Friday Agreement was signed – who refuse to see their identity defined by labels a tortured history bestowed on them.


Someone who can proudly parade the ancient flag of Ulster when playing for Europe in the Ryder Cup – and as cheerfully play under the Irish Tricolour at the Olympics.


The very term “border poll” suggests territory and legacy, something weighed down by the tiresome labels of “us” and “them”, triumphalism and resistance, forcing a binary choice on people who already know who they are.

Those of us old enough can vividly remember where all that incoherent hate and vengeance got us in that utterly pointless, slow war from 1969 to 1997. There are many in the Republic who harbour misgivings too. In a 2023 Irish Times poll, 66pc gave a thumbs-up to unity, but a solid third hedged their bets.

A report last year, written by Trinity College Dublin’s Dr John FitzGerald and suggesting that unity could cost the Republic’s taxpayer as much as €20bn a year, would not have reassured them.

While a question so fundamental should never be about money, the answer could well be defined by it.


A conundrum for some date in the middle distance. In the meantime, Rory McIlroy showed us what real unity looks like.



As the Shinners are confused and at odds with each other over the Transgender debate one could easily make the case that it is exactly the same case as Northern Ireland.

It is a hard held belief that politically this Island is a binary position. By doing so we are denying the existence of a country called Northern Ireland, that a sizeable amount of their citizens want to be seen and accepted as Northern Irish?

SF always refer to it as 'The North of Ireland', thus denying their existence.

Where is the inclusion, the acceptance and being kind?

They are being made to choose between the tricolour or the union jack, they are not allowed use their 'Pride Flag'

Is it Nordiephobic to deny their existence?

Are we misgendering them when we call them 'Brits'

Sporting wise in the Olympics, Golf, Rugby, Hockey they can either represent Great Britain or Ireland, they cannot represent Northern Ireland (Soccer being one of the exceptions)

They are not part of Great Britain nor the Republic of Ireland so in the above competitions their existence is denied

(They form part of the UK of GB & NI, but the UK does not enter events)
 
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Well said, even better than the article I posted.

But the thing is, those with lower IQ and the thick stupid amongst us are the ones that believe the shit that SF/PIRA mouth pieces come out with.

So those fools will vote as the Cult tells them.

SF/PIRA = Scum
While that is undoubtedly true, you don't have to be in the Shinner ecosystem to be taken in by this crap.

We have gone from NI civil war on the news on a daily basis, and all the attendant republican propaganda as well as the rebel music on the airwaves, to having zero information on NI, because we voted to remove Articles 2 and 3 from the Constitution and we moved on. So now our young people are being brainwashed by soft focus republican shilling from the likes of those scum kneecap, and the murder recruitment troop, the wolfe tones. There is no truthful information of the implications of a UI for us, presumably because they know people would run a mile if they realised the truth.
 
As time moves on more and more people on both sides will be comfortable in saying they are Northern Irish, Young people want to enjoy life, get a house, raise a family.
 
Frank Coughlan: Masters champ Rory McIlroy represents a unity on this island that brings into question the need for a border poll


Thu 17 Apr 2025 at 02:30


I didn’t intend to stay up. Switched over just as Rory McIroy turned into the back nine at Augusta on Sunday night. Simply to check in. I was curious in a casual way, expecting to snatch a moment of his procession to a Masters title that had eluded him his entire career.
My interest was not as a golf aficionado. I was simply there for the coronation, a happy ending to the movie that was a long time in the making. Golf’s finest finally getting his hand on the Oscar.

That’s eventually what happened, of course, but the drama along the way turned a sporting achievement into something that has, in a matter of days, entered the realm of the epic.

You’d find few who would argue that the Grand Slam winner is possibly the greatest sports star we have ever produced. Up there for sure. It might be an emotional and arbitrary call, made in the first flush of hyperbole, but it feels just about right.



Although born, reared and having golfed in Northern Ireland, Rory McIlloy has, through osmosis or quiet deliberation, made himself available to the entire island of Ireland.


He is a telling example of the hybrid Hiberno-conscious and comfortable with his Britishness and his Irishness at the same time.

These dual identities are often regarded as mutually exclusive, when really they are nothing of the kind. Both can sit happily together, if only we’d let them.

Raised a Catholic in a majority unionist town – he went to a Catholic primary and mixed grammar school – his dual identity sits easily with him now, though he did have to grow into it. In 1972, long before Rory was born, his granduncle Joe McIlroy was murdered at home by the UVF. But this was never allowed to taint or poison his upbringing.

Indeed, when asked in 2010 if he was British or Irish, he told the PGA Tour website: “Pass. I’m Northern Irish, I hold a British passport, so there you go.”



A year earlier, when asked by The Telegraph who he would represent at the Olympics, he said: “I’d probably play for Great Britain.”


As it happened, he represented Ireland in both 2021 and 2024. The choice had weighed on him, though. He told the Sunday Independent in 2015: “Who am I? Where am I from? Where do my loyalties lie? Who am I going to play for? Who do I not want to upset the most?”

In some ways he is representative of a new generation of Northern Catholics and Protestants who refuse to allow themselves to be defined by their bequeathed tribe.

The British Institute for Government noted in 2022 that an astonishing 40pc of Northern Irish adults see themselves as neither unionist nor nationalist, up significantly from around 30pc in 1998.

Maybe when this much-heralded border poll on unity does happen there should be a third box to tick. Something like “Not Bothered”. Or “Fine As I Am, Thanks”.

This cohort might include people like Rory – a boy when the Good Friday Agreement was signed – who refuse to see their identity defined by labels a tortured history bestowed on them.


Someone who can proudly parade the ancient flag of Ulster when playing for Europe in the Ryder Cup – and as cheerfully play under the Irish Tricolour at the Olympics.


The very term “border poll” suggests territory and legacy, something weighed down by the tiresome labels of “us” and “them”, triumphalism and resistance, forcing a binary choice on people who already know who they are.

Those of us old enough can vividly remember where all that incoherent hate and vengeance got us in that utterly pointless, slow war from 1969 to 1997. There are many in the Republic who harbour misgivings too. In a 2023 Irish Times poll, 66pc gave a thumbs-up to unity, but a solid third hedged their bets.

A report last year, written by Trinity College Dublin’s Dr John FitzGerald and suggesting that unity could cost the Republic’s taxpayer as much as €20bn a year, would not have reassured them.

While a question so fundamental should never be about money, the answer could well be defined by it.


A conundrum for some date in the middle distance. In the meantime, Rory McIlroy showed us what real unity looks like.



As the Shinners are confused and at odds with each other over the Transgender debate one could easily make the case that it is exactly the same case as Northern Ireland.

It is a hard held belief that politically this Island is a binary position. By doing so we are denying the existence of a country called Northern Ireland, that a sizeable amount of their citizens want to be seen and accepted as Northern Irish?

SF always refer to it as 'The North of Ireland', thus denying their existence.

Where is the inclusion, the acceptance and being kind?

They are being made to choose between the tricolour or the union jack, they are not allowed use their 'Pride Flag'

Is it Nordiephobic to deny their existence?

Are we misgendering them when we call them 'Brits'

Sporting wise in the Olympics, Golf, Rugby, Hockey they can either represent Great Britain or Ireland, they cannot represent Northern Ireland (Soccer being one of the exceptions)

They are not part of Great Britain nor the Republic of Ireland so in the above competitions their existence is denied

(They form part of the UK of GB & NI, but the UK does not enter events)
It's worth noting that in the December 2023 Irish Times poll, the Pro UI number dropped to 19% when those polled were asked would they be willing to pay extra in taxes for a UI, something which Coughlan should have mentioned.

SF also refer to us as the 'South' or the Free State, never the Republic of Ireland, and we know they have zero respect for the Gardai.

Flags or anthems are of no consequence, as clearly both would go in any UI negotiation, as would Compulsory Irish in schools (one benefit !) but to ignore the issue would be to misunderstand where SF ecosystem cult members really are, and that is all based around the moronic 50+1 strategy, which is

1. They believe in the "Fucking their way to a UI", and that the Demographic shift to a nationalist majority is inevitable.

2. As a consequence, there has been no effort on SF's part to build trust and a future with unionists, and worse they have been goading them, while backing unionists/loyalists into a corner, which will not end well if they get a BP. 19 Peace walls in 1998 and 160 today is fairly instructive. We don't understand this in the Republic.

3. To help that Demographic vote, SF have obstructed economic development before the GFA but also after the GFA, to ensure young nationalists don't become too comfortable within NI. It extracts a heavy price each year from London.
 
As time moves on more and more people on both sides will be comfortable in saying they are Northern Irish, Young people want to enjoy life, get a house, raise a family.
True, and that may be why SF are doing the hard sell in demanding a border poll, in order to keep the whole UI show on the road. I don't know Varadkar's motivations in stirring a UI, especially as SF's members were as rabidly attacking his sexuality as unionists.

Martin's recent statements are more nuanced, and refers more to a Shared Island rather than a Shared Ireland. What would REALLY help that is if the UK moved closer to the EU (ideally back into the Single Market at the least), but of course SF wouldn't want that.
 
Do you see where one of the decendts of the men of 1916 said that they gave their lives and paid the ultimate scarfice for irish freedom.
Does that also apply to people like Sean South who lost his life In trying to blow up the British border on the island of ireland .
 
They'll say anything that they think will get them a few likes, and then row back on it straight away when they realise they've completely misread the room.

It just shows that they've no concrete policies. They'll try and see which way the wind is blowing and then go with it, but they always make a bollox of it
Guy who refuses to vote (or so he claims) doling out political advice 🤣🤣🤣
 
Do you see where one of the decendts of the men of 1916 said that they gave their lives and paid the ultimate scarfice for irish freedom.
Does that also apply to people like Sean South who lost his life In trying to blow up the British border on the island of ireland .
“Trying to blow up the British border” - jaysus, just how clueless are you dafty?
 
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