Russia's unjustifiable war of aggression in Ukraine

catcha

Full Member
So will Belerus get drawn into it at any stage. Are their troops amassing at the border at this stage?

Around week ago there was an allegedly Belarussian correspondence intercepted giving some details on Russian rocket artillery stationed in Belarus. Shortly after they had "health hand safety near miss" involving some allegedly burned jet engines which were serviced there ;)

Some news on one of the infamous channels are surfacing:

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and below is worth watching test of the newest Russian type of the helmet, supplied to new recruits and replacing the 70s model used at the front.


edit: ah, I forgot to add the production was outsourced to China, that was the main purpose of the test.

Mr. Tester is like:

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an liathroid beag

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Any public acknowledgment of the Ukrainian military’s ability to strike high-value targets deep inside Kremlin-controlled territory would confirm the ineffectiveness of Russia’s air defense systems and would further undermine the fighting spirit within the ranks of an invasion force that is already suffering from demoralization due to high losses. At the same time, there is something obsessive about Vladimir Putin’s apparent readiness to embrace even the most damaging of disinformation rather than admit Ukrainian victories. The Russian dictator has repeatedly preferred to portray his own troops as incompetent and has invited ridicule over nonsense tales of voluntary withdrawals rather than acknowledge the humiliating truth of defeat at the hands of a country he insists does not exist. Russia not accusing Ukraine of strike on Crimea airfield so as not to admit shortcomings of air defenses – ISW As his invasion approaches the half-year mark, Putin is now fast running out of excuses. Initial expectations of a quick and victorious war have long since given way to the reality of a brutal conflict against a determined and capable foe backed by the might of the democratic world. Despite deploying a large part of the Russian military’s available manpower, his armies have been fought to a virtual standstill while paying a terrible price in both men and machines. This poor performance has proved devastating for Moscow’s superpower pretensions. Indeed, it is safe to say that anyone still referring to Russia as the world’s number two army is almost certainly being sarcastic. The impact of this collapse in military prestige is already becoming apparent in Moscow’s old imperial backyard. Kazakhstan is now in open confrontation with the Kremlin and Azerbaijan no longer feels constrained by the presence of Russian peacekeepers in the South Caucasus. Tiny Lithuania recently defied Russia for weeks over the transit of goods to Kaliningrad, while even loyal Belarus has so far resisted intense Kremlin pressure to join the invasion of Ukraine. Unless Russia is able to transform its military fortunes in Ukraine, these negative trends will only intensify. More countries will lose their fear of the toothless Russian bear, while potential allies will begin to question the value of such a geopolitically and militarily compromised partner. Already resigned to an extended period of isolation from the Western world, Russia may find itself increasingly excluded from the top table of world affairs and reduced to a junior role in its unequal partnership with China. Putin’s perilous predicament means we could now be facing one of the most dangerous periods in modern European history as the Russo-Ukrainian War enters a potentially decisive phase. In the coming months, we should expect everything from desperate offensives and escalating terror tactics to energy cut-offs and nuclear blackmail. Nevertheless, as long as Ukraine’s Western allies can remain united in their support for the country, there is good reason to believe these efforts will ultimately fail. Putin’s criminal invasion has exposed the diminished reality behind the myth of Russian military might. Farcical talk of “goodwill gestures” and “accidental fires” merely serves to underline the point.
 

Dr. Aaoouh

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Well that long drawn out spiel is not biased in any way, let's really look at it, Ukraine is no longer just attacking the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, big brother Russia is looking after them also during the Iraq war the coalition forces killed more civillians than the Russians are in Ukraine, a point nobody is willing to address, if you want to cite another example the allies during World War 2 killed lots of civillians.

America the only nation yet to drop two atomic bombs on civilian targets, if Putin was as mad and as genocidial as some of the PROCCers on here would have you believe why would he hesitate to use his large stockpile of nukes on Ukraine, finish off them with one stroke, nuke Kiev, nothing stopping him but that would require thinking that maybe Russia is not as crazy or inhumane as the US and UK would like you to believe.

Strange how the US and UK are eager to see so many Russians lose their lives in Ukraine instead of having a ceasefire, the delusional belief that Zelensky will get Crimea back means that the Russians would have to be forcefully removed from there we only have to look at Palestine when the Arabs tried on numerous times to regain land taken by Israel but in that conflict the West takes the side of the occupier.
But, but, but.......

You just can't stop, can you?

Russia wants a cease fire, all they have to do is to cease firing. And leave.

And no, Putin can't nuke anyone without risking a nuclear war. Why would he want that? He might be crazy, but he's not stupid.
 
Nice story:

Ukraine’s youth are ready to party — but with a wartime twist​

They put on their pink, orange and green sunglasses again. Out of the closets came high platform shoes, short black skirts, leather leggings and metal jewellery.

They were hip, young and beautiful, and ready to party on a recent balmy summer evening in a dramatic setting — a bombed-out ruin of a building damaged by war and littered with debris.

They were brought together by the group Repair Together, which hopes to revive Ukraine’s once famous, pre-invasion rave scene, but with a wartime twist: doing good while having fun.

Andriy Diachenko, whose stage name is DJ Recid, spun the tunes. And the crowd of 20-somethings — dressed in their nightclub finery — pushed wheelbarrows, shovelled rubble and swept dust, all while nodding and swaying to the beat.

“Right now, it feels inappropriate to go clubbing,” said Tetyana Burianova (26), one of the rave’s organisers, and an avid partygoer in Kyiv’s nightlife scene before the war. “I do want to go back to my former life but only after the war. While there is war, my life, like everyone’s, is only about volunteering.”

The activists with Repair Together, who are from Kyiv, did not have partying in mind when they began soliciting local volunteers to repair destroyed buildings in villages outside the capital, in areas liberated this spring from Russian occupation. The volunteers would clear away debris and make small repairs. The group would then post about their work on Instagram to try to encourage more people to help.

After each cleanup, the activists would organise a concert or other entertainment, often for children. The locals — worn out from five months of relentless shelling and missile strikes — were enthusiastic. And so Repair Together decided to combine music-making with the repair work.

The idea of a rave was born.

Burianova said the group hoped to clean 25 buildings with rave parties before winter arrived. The recent party, in Yahidne, a village north of Kyiv, was the first.

Unfortunately, there is no shortage of cleanup sites, and their numbers are growing daily. As of August 8th, about 131,000 buildings in Ukraine had been destroyed by Russian shelling and missile strikes, according to the Kyiv School of Economics. The Ministry of Culture estimates that about 65 village cultural clubs have been destroyed. These are similar to community centres, and in many villages, before the war, often held disco parties every Friday night.

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For many of the about 200 partygoers who turned up for the rave in the destroyed House of Culture in Yahidne, it was the first time in months they had put on party clothes.

“I haven’t played for five months,” said DJ Recid, who once played in Kyiv’s ultra-popular No Name club. “It’s the best rave I can imagine now,” he said. “We dance together, and we repair together.”

Yahidne, a village in the Chernihiv region, was occupied by Russian forces on March 3rd, and liberated by the Ukrainian army on March 31st. Many houses in the village were ruined, but the occupation is also known for a particularly grim episode.

While the Russians controlled the village, more than 300 people, including 77 children, were imprisoned in a dank basement at the village school. They were used as a human shield for the Russian troops based there. Ten of the captives died.

Many of the villagers in Yahidne were grateful to see the activists organise the recent rave.

“We feel that the village is not empty when they are here,” said Viktoria Hatsura (29), whose son was also helping to clean up the rubble. Together with her three children, she spent almost a month in captivity in the basement during the Russian occupation.

She said she was happy to see so many young people willing to bring positive emotions and help to her village.

Other residents in Yahidne praised the effort, but not the techno music. “I can’t say I like the music but I’m grateful to these children for their work,” said Oksana Yatsenko (42), who lives close to the House of Culture.

Before the war, Kyiv parties had become known far beyond Ukraine’s borders. Raves in industrial facilities, semi-abandoned buildings, clubs and the open air on riverbanks took place regularly. Now, destroyed villages are the backdrop.

At the Yahidne party site, black burn marks scarred the red brick walls of the House of Culture, which has no roof. In the middle of the dance floor was a heap of rubble.

The crowd, holding shovels and buckets, energetically nodded and stomped to the beat, while filling up the buckets and bags. The DJ played on a stage decorated with a tinsel curtain, fluttering and sparkling in the sunshine. Speakers were perched on tripods amid the rubble. All around was plenty of exposed brick. Some local children turned up to help.

“I was always clubbing before the war,” said Solomiya Yaskiv (23), a publicity manager at a technology company in Kyiv. “Right now there are almost no parties in Kyiv and anyway I am not mentally ready for them. Here, it’s different. I can once again enjoy cool music and look at stylish and beautiful people, while doing something useful.” — This article originally appeared in The New York Times
 

King Silkbeard

Full Member
But, but, but.......

You just can't stop, can you?

Russia wants a cease fire, all they have to do is to cease firing. And leave.

And no, Putin can't nuke anyone without risking a nuclear war. Why would he want that? He might be crazy, but he's not stupid.
When we say leave do you mean just hand over Russian speaking regions to Kiev, unlikely those regions want to be under Russia, I find it strange when it comes to Ireland people on the PROC consider it delusional to think we can have a United Ireland when a minority of the Unionist community want to be part of Britain,

Sinn Féin delusional for wanting United Ireland.
Zelensky heroic for wanting to take back Crimea and the Donbas.

As for Putin using nuclear weapons if he is bad as the warmongers say he is there should be no worry about the consequences of unleashing a nuclear war. I say again the US used nuclear weapons during WW2 not like people queued up to complain about that bombing.
 

Dr. Aaoouh

Full Member
When we say leave do you mean just hand over Russian speaking regions to Kiev, unlikely those regions want to be under Russia, I find it strange when it comes to Ireland people on the PROC consider it delusional to think we can have a United Ireland when a minority of the Unionist community want to be part of Britain,

Sinn Féin delusional for wanting United Ireland.
Zelensky heroic for wanting to take back Crimea and the Donbas.

As for Putin using nuclear weapons if he is bad as the warmongers say he is there should be no worry about the consequences of unleashing a nuclear war. I say again the US used nuclear weapons during WW2 not like people queued up to complain about that bombing.
You seem to be under a delusion that “Russian speaking regions” have to be independent or under Russian control. That’s the old Sudetenland argument.

As for the US dropping A-bombs in Japan, there was a world war going on at the time, plus they had never been used before and no one else had them. Surprised you didn’t run into this when you got your “education”. In any case, Mr Whatabout, the fact that the US dropped A-bombs in the past does not mean that Russia can do it now (in order to spare the US from being hypocrites, apparently).

Finally, “being as bad as the warmongers claim” is you defining what other people say in order to make your typically weak point. You need better arguments. Or maybe just one real argument.
 

King Silkbeard

Full Member
You seem to be under a delusion that “Russian speaking regions” have to be independent or under Russian control. That’s the old Sudetenland argument.

As for the US dropping A-bombs in Japan, there was a world war going on at the time, plus they had never been used before and no one else had them. Surprised you didn’t run into this when you got your “education”. In any case, Mr Whatabout, the fact that the US dropped A-bombs in the past does not mean that Russia can do it now (in order to spare the US from being hypocrites, apparently).

Finally, “being as bad as the warmongers claim” is you defining what other people say in order to make your typically weak point. You need better arguments. Or maybe just one real argument.
The West accuses Russia of using chemical weapons in Ukraine when they have used them themselves. As for Putin using nukes he could reason out that the West is weak and won't retaliate if he used them on Ukraine, using history as an example Hitler judged that Britain and France would do anything for peace so the Nazis got away with a lot, but this is besides the point because Putin is not going to use nuclear weapons as he is far from the genocudial genius that the PROC portray him as.
 

Hank Scorpio

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The West accuses Russia of using chemical weapons in Ukraine when they have used them themselves. As for Putin using nukes he could reason out that the West is weak and won't retaliate if he used them on Ukraine, using history as an example Hitler judged that Britain and France would do anything for peace so the Nazis got away with a lot, but this is besides the point because Putin is not going to use nuclear weapons as he is far from the genocudial genius that the PROC portray him as.

Comparing Putin to Hitler.


Ruso-bot having a nightmare.
 

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