Pubs reopening June 29th

[MerchantOfEnnis]

There's quite a lot of people like that.
I do often think about how potentially easier my life and stress free of bills would be if I was on the dole getting hand outs etc.

Look MOE not being condescending as I know sometimes context can be misinterpreted through text, this is just a speed bump for you try remain as positive as you can. You do have a fair interest and understanding of the hospitality sector - given previous experiences could you see yourself going in Management be it bar/club or hotel? You'd be a great asset to whoever does snap you up. I don't know you outside of you posting anonymously here but as I said your interest and understanding of the sector, as the saying goes do something you love and you'll never work a day in your life.

In theory I'd love to have my own place. The dream is to have my own pub in a certain European capital, but having done a good bit of research and having had discussions with people in the industry there, it's an uphill battle. Lads are operating off 11% margins if they're lucky, and you absolutely have to not just do food, but good food, and good chefs are expensive. You also have to pay staff for 14 months a year (they get a double month before summer and before Christmas, which is unreal if you're a worker. Less so if you're the one paying wages).

In Ireland I'd be up for taking on a place but I'm really picky with locations and the type of place I'd want to be involved in, and who I'd want to be involved with.

If I'm being totally honest I'd be working in a bar right now happy out was it not for the fear of who comes in every time the front door opens. I was involved in an incident when I worked in a bar in town during which someone was nearly beaten to death, and I was dragged through the legal system as a witness. I never worked a shift on my own again after that night, and ultimately it was the beginning of the end of my time in the hospitality industry. If someone of a certain group came up to me now and ordered a pint I think I'd just freeze. I saw my favorite band in Dublin the night before it happened, and I have no recollection of the gig. The whole memory was just knocked out of my head.

If I could pick a career out of the sky right now it'd be something hospitality or tourism related, ideally promoting Cork, or any part of Ireland really. I'm certainly not above working behind a bar - it's a class job and one where you can really express yourself if you put your heart into it, but I can't see myself ever being comfortable behind a bar on my own again, even 10 years since that all happened.

 

[Yermon]

Currently tucking into a €5.70 pint of Heino in the Sportsman in Killarney. Absolute bargain hidden away in one of the biggest rip off kips in Ireland

Heino???????

Gowanya D4 wannabe gobshite

Heineken used be a great pint but they destroyed it imho. "We only use 3 main ingredients plus a special yeast" BS is fooling nobody. It's former flavour is gone and it now induces banging headaches even after just a couple of pints so you're welcome to it MOE.

And as for Killarney - it's probably the anus of Ireland - certainly THE most over-rated kip in the country.

But other than that I'm dead jealous. Hounestly!

 

[Yermon]

In theory I'd love to have my own place. The dream is to have my own pub in a certain European capital, but having done a good bit of research and having had discussions with people in the industry there, it's an uphill battle. Lads are operating off 11% margins if they're lucky, and you absolutely have to not just do food, but good food, and good chefs are expensive. You also have to pay staff for 14 months a year (they get a double month before summer and before Christmas, which is unreal if you're a worker. Less so if you're the one paying wages).

In Ireland I'd be up for taking on a place but I'm really picky with locations and the type of place I'd want to be involved in, and who I'd want to be involved with.

If I'm being totally honest I'd be working in a bar right now happy out was it not for the fear of who comes in every time the front door opens. I was involved in an incident when I worked in a bar in town during which someone was nearly beaten to death, and I was dragged through the legal system as a witness. I never worked a shift on my own again after that night, and ultimately it was the beginning of the end of my time in the hospitality industry. If someone of a certain group came up to me now and ordered a pint I think I'd just freeze. I saw my favorite band in Dublin the night before it happened, and I have no recollection of the gig. The whole memory was just knocked out of my head.

If I could pick a career out of the sky right now it'd be something hospitality or tourism related, ideally promoting Cork, or any part of Ireland really. I'm certainly not above working behind a bar - it's a class job and one where you can really express yourself if you put your heart into it, but I can't see myself ever being comfortable behind a bar on my own again, even 10 years since that all happened.

Sorry to hear you've been intimidated out of a job you'd love MOE. Time was protection from scumbags was taken for granted. Nowadays with our revolving door justice system there seems to be more of them about and they seem to be taking more liberties

 

[MerchantOfEnnis]

Sorry to hear you've been intimidated out of a job you'd love MOE. Time was protection from scumbags was taken for granted. Nowadays with our revolving door justice system there seems to be more of them about and they seem to be taking more liberties

There were no revolving doors harmed in the making of this tale. These were our own cultural domestic types

 

[ThatFella]

In theory I'd love to have my own place. The dream is to have my own pub in a certain European capital, but having done a good bit of research and having had discussions with people in the industry there, it's an uphill battle. Lads are operating off 11% margins if they're lucky, and you absolutely have to not just do food, but good food, and good chefs are expensive. You also have to pay staff for 14 months a year (they get a double month before summer and before Christmas, which is unreal if you're a worker. Less so if you're the one paying wages).

In Ireland I'd be up for taking on a place but I'm really picky with locations and the type of place I'd want to be involved in, and who I'd want to be involved with.

If I'm being totally honest I'd be working in a bar right now happy out was it not for the fear of who comes in every time the front door opens. I was involved in an incident when I worked in a bar in town during which someone was nearly beaten to death, and I was dragged through the legal system as a witness. I never worked a shift on my own again after that night, and ultimately it was the beginning of the end of my time in the hospitality industry. If someone of a certain group came up to me now and ordered a pint I think I'd just freeze. I saw my favorite band in Dublin the night before it happened, and I have no recollection of the gig. The whole memory was just knocked out of my head.

If I could pick a career out of the sky right now it'd be something hospitality or tourism related, ideally promoting Cork, or any part of Ireland really. I'm certainly not above working behind a bar - it's a class job and one where you can really express yourself if you put your heart into it, but I can't see myself ever being comfortable behind a bar on my own again, even 10 years since that all happened.

Ya I get you great dream, not gonna lie I often say myself I might f*ck off to Spain and open an Irish pub.
Tough gig to be an operator the margins and costs.

Yes I heard the latest thing with some places as manager they offer a % as can only give so much of a wage.

I get your fears 100% I've seen things in my days too - nothing as serious as you so can't imagine the effects it still has. I can remember alright I often worked a shift in city/suburban pub by myself in a quiet January which from a business point of view I'd understand but did have one or two people from certain groups and would keep you on edge alright. Used be a hammer under sink and a hurley by fridge put if push ever came to shove of being robbed don't think I'd have used them.

Working there and other pubs always had a good relationship with fellow staff and door staff, we could all trust each other and knew if anything happened we'd all be there. Wouldn't be in touch with them too much anymore as we all progressed out of the trade but when we meet randomly or in the same pub it's like we're all still best friends.

There's some days I miss the trade alright, I've often helped out a buddy in the trade and done a few hours behind the bar as you never above it either always great craic and in a small pub always great respect from customers even if a new face.

Would you become a sales rep for one of brands so if not comfortable by yourself? Some lads have great careers out of starting as a rep and working up ladder

 

[MerchantOfEnnis]

Ya I get you great dream, not gonna lie I often say myself I might f*ck off to Spain and open an Irish pub.
Tough gig to be an operator the margins and costs.

Yes Ieard the latest thing with some places as manager they offer a % as can only give so much of a wage.

I get your fears 100% I've seen things in my days too - nothing as serious as you so can't imagine the effects it still has. I can remember alright I often worked a shift in city/suburban pub by myself in a quiet January which from a business point of view I'd understand but did have one or two people from certain groups and would keep you on edge alright. Used be a hammer under sink and a hurley by fridge put if push ever came to shove of being robbed don't think I'd have used them.

Working there and other pubs always had a good relationship with fellow staff and door staff, we could all trust each other and knew if anything happened we'd all be there. Wouldn't be in touch with them too much anymore as we all progressed out of the trade but when we meet randomly or in the same pub it's like we're all still best friends.

There's some days I miss the trade alright, I've often helped out a buddy in the trade and done a few hours behind the bar as you never above it either always great craic and in a small pub always great respect from customers even if a new face.

Would you become a sales rep for one of brands so if not comfortable by yourself? Some lads have great careers out of starting as a rep and working up ladder

Spain? Good luck making money over there, when the likes of Lee won't even pay €16 to use Cork's top local talk page. Maybe if he spent less time in the Palacio Real drinking Dom Perignon with Sophia Loren and Audrey Hepburn he'd be able to afford the PROC.

Yeah tbh I think that needing to have a hammer handy to defend yourself isn't something that should be normalised in any job.

There's so much wrong with the whole job of a bartender. As you know yourself, if it was just about pouring pints it'd be the best job in the world. Nobody sees the shit you've to deal with, whether it be talking guys off a ledge or cleaning the jacks at 3am when everyone is fast asleep at home.

Johnny Kennedy who has the Long Hall and the Westbury in NYC referred to barmen as "every man's slave", and I think it's sadly appropriate.

Respect for the barman is gone too. In Dublin you still get it, because many of these guys have spent their whole lives working in the same pub, they're part of unions, and they have pride in what they do. It's their career.

In Cork it's just lads who want a few hours a week before moving on to something "better". How many full time bar managers are there still in Cork? Of course there are a few, but it's not a thing anymore.

Sales and marketing would be class. I could sell ice to an Eskimo. That Hyde Out quiz recently was both a great distraction from all the shite going on in work, as well as me trying to prove to myself that I can come up with an idea, plan an event, make it happen, and make it a success.

€2,300 for Marymount over the course of four hours at a pub quiz on Douglas Street suggests to me that I can.

 

[Yermon]

Spain? Good luck making money over there, when the likes of Lee won't even pay €16 to use Cork's top local talk page. Maybe if he spent less time in the Palacio Real drinking Dom Perignon with Sophia Loren and Audrey Hepburn he'd be able to afford the PROC.

Yeah tbh I think that needing to have a hammer handy to defend yourself isn't something that should be normalised in any job.

There's so much wrong with the whole job of a bartender. As you know yourself, if it was just about pouring pints it'd be the best job in the world. Nobody sees the shit you've to deal with, whether it be talking guys off a ledge or cleaning the jacks at 3am when everyone is fast asleep at home.

Johnny Kennedy who has the Long Hall and the Westbury in NYC referred to barmen as "every man's slave", and I think it's sadly appropriate.

Respect for the barman is gone too. In Dublin you still get it, because many of these guys have spent their whole lives working in the same pub, they're part of unions, and they have pride in what they do. It's their career.

In Cork it's just lads who want a few hours a week before moving on to something "better". How many full time bar managers are there still in Cork? Of course there are a few, but it's not a thing anymore.

Sales and marketing would be class. I could sell ice to an Eskimo. That Hyde Out quiz recently was both a great distraction from all the shite going on in work, as well as me trying to prove to myself that I can come up with an idea, plan an event, make it happen, and make it a success.

€2,300 for Marymount over the course of four hours at a pub quiz on Douglas Street suggests to me that I can.

Huge congrats on 2K3 for such a worthy cause as Marymount MOE. You're a genius! I think you're reading Lee very wrong btw.

When you say Respect for the barmen is gone, add that to respect for the gardai, ambulance and firebrigade staff, teachers, the clergy, the elderly etc etc.

So often now in Irish society it's "What's in it for me, and if I'm not benefiting from it directly I don't care about other people's plight"

 

[MerchantOfEnnis]

Huge congrats on 2K3 for such a worthy cause as Marymount MOE. You're a genius! I think you're reading Lee very wrong btw.

When you say Respect for the barmen is gone, add that to respect for the gardai, ambulance and firebrigade staff, teachers, the clergy, the elderly etc etc.

So often now in Irish society it's "What's in it for me, and if I'm not benefiting from it directly I don't care about other people's plight"

Ah no, respect for the elderly is still there. For example, some people like you

 

[Yermon]

Ah no, respect for the elderly is still there. For example, some people like you

They may like me, but do they respect me?

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[MerchantOfEnnis]

They may like me, but do they respect me?

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No they don't, but sher you can't win all the thyme.

On a more serious note I have huge respect for all those groups that you mentioned, in particular the clergy. Nobody has to believe what they believe, but I am a fan of respecting what others want to believe and practise, as long as it isn't harming anyone.

Any time you show support for the church you'll have some gobshite going on about paedophiles, but do they really need to castigate the people who's daily solace is the 30 minutes they spend at mass every morning?

And as for the Old Bill, God knows why anyone wants to do that job anymore. Non stop grief. At least when your mates were blowing up Ford Cortinas there was a bit of jeopardy about it, but now it's just lads in hoodies on electric scooters.