Pubs reopening June 29th

[Yermon]

All outdoor areas are subject to strict noise policies and maximum decibels etc
If several complaints about non-compliance it can impact license renewals, can't see it being an issue.
CUH, a housing estate along with Bru Columbas (the charity that provides accommodation to families who have sick relatives in hospital) as neighbors. The Wilton Bar will be most definitely not be pushing their luck - they've already had some bad reviews since opening they'll playing it very carefully. Last thing they want to do is piss off patients in CUH or families who are trying to sleep during a difficult time. The passing hospital trade has always been huge for the Wilton Bar - lose that and they'd be in trouble.

As a matter of interest does anyone know what time of night a pub has to turn down the outside music? Mrs was saying recently she was surprised that a suburban hostelry was allowed play loud music outdoors at 11:30PM

 

[Roxetten]

His neighbors at the back of the bar are into the housing estate ? there's houses behind the Paddy Power/High Street Books/Gallo & Galleti area?
When you come out of the bar and go right you have HSE offices, Bru Columbus (charity accommodation for families of very sick patients), the school and then houses. An DJ outdoors the sound would travel fairly far as across road minus church/shopping centre it's very open area.

Fair enough, the sound could travel far and wide in such an open space too.

Setting up a DJ outdoors playing "banging tunes" over a PA system would be an idiotic idea.

 

[ThatFella]

As a matter of interest does anyone know what time of night a pub has to turn down the outside music? Mrs was saying recently she was surprised that a suburban hostelry was allowed play loud music outdoors at 11:30PM

As I stated originally comes under licensing which is from both a Garda and Cork City Council point of view.

Each pub/club would have it in the license - some may be allowed to play music outside for the duration of their opening hours provided there's a 'limiter' on the speakers.

From Chat GPT:

For pubs, bars, restaurants, and clubs specifically:
-Noise complaints about music inside the premises are generally handled by the local authority environmental section.
-Noise outside the premises (crowds, anti-social behaviour) is generally a Garda matter.

In practice, Cork City Council (or any local authority) may impose:
-planning permission conditions,
-outdoor seating licence conditions,
-event permit conditions,
-or entertainment licence conditions

that include specific noise limits, cutoff times, speaker orientation rules, or monitoring requirements.

 

[ThatFella]

Fair enough, the sound could travel far and wide in such an open space too.

Setting up a DJ outdoors playing "banging tunes" over a PA system would be an idiotic idea.

If the DJ is playing banging tunes I like, I have a pint in my hand and there's no noise complaints or noise laws/license regulations being broken I say drive it on.

 

[Happyhonkaman]

As I stated originally comes under licensing which is from both a Garda and Cork City Council point of view.

Each pub/club would have it in the license - some may be allowed to play music outside for the duration of their opening hours provided there's a 'limiter' on the speakers.

From Chat GPT:

For pubs, bars, restaurants, and clubs specifically:
-Noise complaints about music inside the premises are generally handled by the local authority environmental section.
-Noise outside the premises (crowds, anti-social behaviour) is generally a Garda matter.

In practice, Cork City Council (or any local authority) may impose:
-planning permission conditions,
-outdoor seating licence conditions,
-event permit conditions,
-or entertainment licence conditions

that include specific noise limits, cutoff times, speaker orientation rules, or monitoring requirements.

Yeah, if you have an issue with it you need to make a submission to planning enforcement, but it is really difficult to do this successfully as it will require sound testing and a professional submission, all of which can be countered/challenged by the pubs team, and in my experience they are hard to get to stick. Even if you win the chances of getting it enforced are down to the publican more than anything else as all of this noise will be outside of working hours in the council

 

[Yermon]

As I stated originally comes under licensing which is from both a Garda and Cork City Council point of view.

Each pub/club would have it in the license - some may be allowed to play music outside for the duration of their opening hours provided there's a 'limiter' on the speakers.

From Chat GPT:

For pubs, bars, restaurants, and clubs specifically:
-Noise complaints about music inside the premises are generally handled by the local authority environmental section.
-Noise outside the premises (crowds, anti-social behaviour) is generally a Garda matter.

In practice, Cork City Council (or any local authority) may impose:
-planning permission conditions,
-outdoor seating licence conditions,
-event permit conditions,
-or entertainment licence conditions

that include specific noise limits, cutoff times, speaker orientation rules, or monitoring requirements.

Not sure why but I always thought outside music had to finish by 10PM - just googled it and found:

"No Fixed Statutory Time: There is no specific, universal time (e.g., 10 PM) in Irish law at which all commercial outside music must cease."

Seems one would have to complain to the Cork City Council's Environment Section

 

[ThatFella]

Yeah, if you have an issue with it you need to make a submission to planning enforcement, but it is really difficult to do this successfully as it will require sound testing and a professional submission, all of which can be countered/challenged by the pubs team, and in my experience they are hard to get to stick. Even if you win the chances of getting it enforced are down to the publican more than anything else as all of this noise will be outside of working hours in the council

Reports to the Garda is a quicker way as well. They monitor it themselves.
A former pub I worked in was often at the receiving end of the licensing sergeant when on night duty 'popping by'. He would make observations and suggestions.
Suggestions would include turning down or turning off the outside music and it could impact licensing.
They themselves have a decibel meter.

But like any Council submission it's a long drawn process.

 

[Yermon]

Yeah, if you have an issue with it you need to make a submission to planning enforcement, but it is really difficult to do this successfully as it will require sound testing and a professional submission, all of which can be countered/challenged by the pubs team, and in my experience they are hard to get to stick. Even if you win the chances of getting it enforced are down to the publican more than anything else as all of this noise will be outside of working hours in the council

Yeah, don't imagine neighbours would want to get on the wrong side of the owner of the local pub by complaining about the noise levels either, or else they wouldn't be very welcome in their local. Bit of a catch 22

 

[Happyhonkaman]

Reports to the Garda is a quicker way as well. They monitor it themselves.
A former pub I worked in was often at the receiving end of the licensing sergeant when on night duty 'popping by'. He would make observations and suggestions.
Suggestions would include turning down or turning off the outside music and it could impact licensing.
They themselves have a decibel meter.

But like any Council submission it's a long drawn process.

Yeah, personalities play a large part in all of these things as well

We did a pub/club up in mullingar many moons ago, getting the fire cert was a challenge, but once it came through and the inspections were complete the place opened to great fanfare with a free bar for a lot of the people involved in making it all happen. The fire officer there attended, and made every night he went for pints there afterwards an extension of that free bar!

 

[Happyhonkaman]

Yeah, don't imagine neighbours would want to get on the wrong side of the owner of the local pub by complaining about the noise levels either, or else they wouldn't be very welcome in their local. Bit of a catch 22

Well observations lodged with enforcement are not a matter of public record so you should be free to make one without the pub realising it was you... however Ireland being Ireland....