PROC United Ireland Poll 🇮🇪

[Browser Brody]

I’d be in favour of setting up Northern Island as it’s own self sufficient independent state. Religion being irrelevant and governed by Belfast not Dublin or London.

 

[Crusty Ring]

I'd sooner suck a 12 hour shift worth of love juice out of Mrs Greedy's snatch on the hottest day of the year than vote for a UI.

Great to have you back Jim

 

[Cormac]

Great to have you back Jim

That would be a boring night for our Jim.

#freejimmy

 

[fed up]

We rise by lifting others

Yes

 

[Yermon]

So you want to take jobs from the rest of the country to give them to NI and you want to take badly needed infrastructure improvements from Cork, Limerick, Galway etc and prioritise Belfast and Derry instead?

Because that’s exactly how this would be spun.

You want to take jobs from the rest of the country to give them to Dublin and you want to take badly needed infrastructure improvements from Cork, Limerick, Galway etc and prioritise Dublin and the Pale instead?

Because that’s exactly what is happening.

Reuniting Ireland would inevitably shake the "we must all be subservient to dublin instead of london" mentality that has governed this state since its foundation.

Reunite the country and decentralise

 

[Hallbopping]

You want to take jobs from the rest of the country to give them to Dublin and you want to take badly needed infrastructure improvements from Cork, Limerick, Galway etc and prioritise Dublin and the Pale instead?

Because that’s exactly what is happening.

Reuniting Ireland would inevitably shake the "we must all be subservient to dublin instead of london" mentality that has governed this state since its foundation.

Reunite the country and decentralise

Soundy, do you realise that it is quite standard for the city with the largest population to have the best infrastructure and services? It’s as true in the UK and Germany as it is here. The difference with us is that we have one medium sized cities and several others that are actually very small.

Look I want a united Ireland too but some of the claims made in this thread about what it’ll bring are fantasy stuff.

 

[El Guapo]

Soundy, do you realise that it is quite standard for the city with the largest population to have the best infrastructure and services? It’s as true in the UK and Germany as it is here. The difference with us is that we have one medium sized cities and several others that are actually very small.

But countries can and do plan development to stimulate development elsewhere.

The neatherlands is a Good example of this where No one city dominates the others in terms of population. Amsterdam had about a million people but Rotterdam, the Hague, Utecht are all between about 500,000 and 800,000. That's by design

Germany is a federalised state so there is a lot of capital outside of Berlin, in Muich, Frankfurt and Hannover you know thus

Another example is South Africa another country I believe you're familiar with where they intentionally split the Administrative, Legislative and Judicial branches of government across Cape Town, Bloemfontain and Pretoria.

The prime other example beyond ireland i can think of is London's utter dominance of the UK to the detriment of the north of the England

 

[Bennyton]

So you want to take jobs from the rest of the country to give them to NI and you want to take badly needed infrastructure improvements from Cork, Limerick, Galway etc and prioritise Belfast and Derry instead?

Because that’s exactly how this would be spun.

I don't understand that argument at all tbh.

So many parts of the current system aren't joined up properly at all.

I'm not saying you prioritise Derry or Belfast or whatever, but there are some strategic pieces of infrastructure that make a tonne of sense with or without a UI.

1. A proper Motorway to Belfast (on the NI side)"
2. A proper Motorway to Derry
   1. Dublin have offered to pay for this, it's blocked by bigots, and the road is a complete death trap
   2. This really leaves Donegal in the shit too.
3. A proper light rail system for Cork, Dublin, Belfast, BRT's, Luas extensions, circular system in Belfast, Metro North, etc.
   1. Build high density residential areas around new rail developments.
4. A Motorway from Cork to Limerick - atlantic economic corridor.
5. Rail corridor reopened from Cork to Galway, via Limerick.
6. Making the signaling and track upgrades from Dublin to Cork to reduce the travel time to 90 minutes.
7. Making the signaling and track upgrades from Dublin to Belfast to reduce the travel time to 70 minutes.
8. Realigning Dublin's rail, using what is already there, so trains can go from Belfast to Cork without taking 8 hours.
9. Electrification of all Dublin commuter rail, and rebuilding Connolly to reduce wait times at the station.
10. Moving Dublin Port out completely(Stick it in Drogheda or somewhere there, and rezone the more valuable land for high density residential.
11. Stick freight lines from that port to service Dublin and Belfast with freight, while you're also sitting on top of an excellent Morotway system already.

All of this stuff would require capital, but we have capital, and we need to get building while the sun is shining.

 

[Hallbopping]

But countries can and do plan development to stimulate development elsewhere.

The neatherlands is a Good example of this where No one city dominates the others in terms of population. Amsterdam had about a million people but Rotterdam, the Hague, Utecht are all between about 500,000 and 800,000. That's by design

Germany is a federalism state so there is a lot of capital outside of Berlin, in Muich, Frankfurt and Hannover you know thus

Another example is South Africa another country I believe you're familiar with where they intentionally split the Administrative, Legislative and Judicial branches of government across Cape Town, Bloemfontain and Pretoria.

The prime other example beyond ireland i can think of is London's utter dominate of the UK to the detriment of the north of the England

You’re absolutely correct and this goes back to the point I made on another thread this week. It’s as true in the North as it is down here.

We live too far apart from each other.

To have good public transport (especially rail services) there needs to be consistent movement of people between and within large urban centres.

I am all for planning the country along those lines but we’d get the usual rubbish from rural communities and farmers that the Government is abandoning country living or ‘rural pursuits’ that we hear a lot about recently.

 

[Hallbopping]

I don't understand that argument at all tbh.

So many parts of the current system aren't joined up properly at all.

I'm not saying you prioritise Derry or Belfast or whatever, but there are some strategic pieces of infrastructure that make a tonne of sense with or without a UI.

1. A proper Motorway to Belfast (on the NI side)"
2. A proper Motorway to Derry
   1. Dublin have offered to pay for this, it's blocked by bigots, and the road is a complete death trap
   2. This really leaves Donegal in the shit too.
3. A proper light rail system for Cork, Dublin, Belfast, BRT's, Luas extensions, circular system in Belfast, Metro North, etc.
   1. Build high density residential areas around new rail developments.
4. A Motorway from Cork to Limerick - atlantic economic corridor.
5. Rail corridor reopened from Cork to Galway, via Limerick.
6. Making the signaling and track upgrades from Dublin to Cork to reduce the travel time to 90 minutes.
7. Making the signaling and track upgrades from Dublin to Belfast to reduce the travel time to 70 minutes.
8. Realigning Dublin's rail, using what is already there, so trains can go from Belfast to Cork without taking 8 hours.
9. Electrification of all Dublin commuter rail, and rebuilding Connolly to reduce wait times at the station.
10. Moving Dublin Port out completely(Stick it in Drogheda or somewhere there, and rezone the more valuable land for high density residential.
11. Stick freight lines from that port to service Dublin and Belfast with freight, while you're also sitting on top of an excellent Morotway system already.

All of this stuff would require capital, but we have capital, and we need to get building while the sun is shining.

I totally agree with you. My point is that we need to make our own improvements first before this ever happens. Some things would be easier with a United Ireland for sure but most improvements in services and infrastructure improvements don’t need to wait.