pj coogan show

[jimmym]

Dara Murphy right up there!!

Now he was something special altogether, Some sense of entitlement

 

[Rebel CNC]

PB with good report from special school that closed down for a week in Carrigaline but the focus from PB and PJ was totally on the government and the Taoiseach. There are other schools such as this across the country (one parent referenced Celbridge) that have the same challenges but they don't close down every few months because of an incident involving a pupil as this one appears to do. Another parent referenced high staff turnover.
Bash the government is the standard response on a local Talkshow but a more detailed investigative report would be more informative. How do other schools respond to such incidents? Also, no comment from the school principal/senior management - not sure was one requested. Unusual in such a scenario! No-one wants to point the finger or assign blame (except to usual targets) but think there's more to this than meets the eye!

 

[jimmym]

PB with good report from special school that closed down for a week in Carrigaline but the focus from PB and PJ was totally on the government and the Taoiseach. There are other schools such as this across the country (one parent referenced Celbridge) that have the same challenges but they don't close down every few months because of an incident involving a pupil as this one appears to do. Another parent referenced high staff turnover.
Bash the government is the standard response on a local Talkshow but a more detailed investigative report would be more informative. How do other schools respond to such incidents? Also, no comment from the school principal/senior management - not sure was one requested. Unusual in such a scenario! No-one wants to point the finger or assign blame (except to usual targets) but think there's more to this than meets the eye!

I havent listened since they moved to the new app, Cant be arsed downloading it, PJ is obsessed with blaming the government for everything,

 

[fed up]

I havent listened since they moved to the new app, Cant be arsed downloading it, PJ is obsessed with blaming the government for everything,

Was SoundY right about you being a government shill despite your protestations lol.

 

[Heraldo]

Was SoundY right about you being a government shill despite your protestations lol.

Somewhere on the South Douglas Road, Soundy is watching this thread as a guest, chuckling to himself, a tear rolls down his cheek as he sees the username “jimmym”, his sparring partner.

His voice cracks with emotion as he mutters “ah Terry, you shill”

 

[ThatFella]

PB with good report from special school that closed down for a week in Carrigaline but the focus from PB and PJ was totally on the government and the Taoiseach. There are other schools such as this across the country (one parent referenced Celbridge) that have the same challenges but they don't close down every few months because of an incident involving a pupil as this one appears to do. Another parent referenced high staff turnover.
Bash the government is the standard response on a local Talkshow but a more detailed investigative report would be more informative. How do other schools respond to such incidents? Also, no comment from the school principal/senior management - not sure was one requested. Unusual in such a scenario! No-one wants to point the finger or assign blame (except to usual targets) but think there's more to this than meets the eye!

I don't have any experience personally with autism outside of spotting those in work or down the local sports clubs (no offence meant with spotting) I'm patient with them and talk away, I think they feel comfortable as they will approach me now in work/local sports club for conversation. I understand that there's different diagnosis and not all the same. Some of those people I have talked to can't hold eye contact or look at ground or take time to reply, I've seen other who are not aware of these social cues say they're rude or takes too much time to talk to which I think is unfair and I explain and to be fair their outlook changes.
Still a lot of education for people to learn and understand.

I know routine is key.

By all means people can say my opinion is wrong.

I get that there is a designated unit in Carrigaline but it's also a mainstream school, lot of environmental factors to deal with there for said students.
They reference the high staff turnover that is detrimental to routine as is and new staff may have different teaching approaches then as well.
Making a comparison to Celbridge is irrelevant in my eyes as each situation is unique.
Maybe the school can't cater for the childs need but it's the only school place they could get.

So between staff turnover and potentially not catering for the childs needs you as may have been only place it is a direct consequence of government policy.
Government could have invested in a state of art school which focuses specifically on a range of needs in Cork.

School principal/senior management of course will not comment on matter as at end of day there's a child who's U18 involved and who would also be considered a vulnerable child due to their additional needs. The school would be lambasted if they commented.

Again by all means people can say I'm wrong and correct me but that would be my opinion based on my dealings/understanding.

 

[Meridian]

I don't have any experience personally with autism outside of spotting those in work or down the local sports clubs (no offence meant with spotting) I'm patient with them and talk away, I think they feel comfortable as they will approach me now in work/local sports club for conversation. I understand that there's different diagnosis and not all the same. Some of those people I have talked to can't hold eye contact or look at ground or take time to reply, I've seen other who are not aware of these social cues say they're rude or takes too much time to talk to which I think is unfair and I explain and to be fair their outlook changes.
Still a lot of education for people to learn and understand.

I know routine is key.

By all means people can say my opinion is wrong.

I get that there is a designated unit in Carrigaline but it's also a mainstream school, lot of environmental factors to deal with there for said students.
They reference the high staff turnover that is detrimental to routine as is and new staff may have different teaching approaches then as well.
Making a comparison to Celbridge is irrelevant in my eyes as each situation is unique.
Maybe the school can't cater for the childs need but it's the only school place they could get.

So between staff turnover and potentially not catering for the childs needs you as may have been only place it is a direct consequence of government policy.
Government could have invested in a state of art school which focuses specifically on a range of needs in Cork.

School principal/senior management of course will not comment on matter as at end of day there's a child who's U18 involved and who would also be considered a vulnerable child due to their additional needs. The school would be lambasted if they commented.

Again by all means people can say I'm wrong and correct me but that would be my opinion based on my dealings/understanding.

Isn't the Cope foundation such an establishment?

 

[ThatFella]

Isn't the Cope foundation such an establishment?

You are correct but they cannot cater for every single child, Cope also deals with adults.

There is plenty of other Special Educations Schools across the city and county but again as I said they cannot cater to everyone.
My point is that demand is outweighing supply, a designated unit in a mainstream school is welcome but it only covers the cracks.
As I said I do not know the child and I'm speculating from my understanding of evidence in press that it sounds like the school cannot cater to this childs needs.
Every year we hear of children with additional needs who do not get a school place and are fighting for it and again this comes back to government policy on education as a whole not just special education.

We saw the fiasco of SNA's and the lies they spun. They backed out then when the lies were put into context by SNA's, teachers and principals.

 

[ThatFella]

PJ had on a parent earlier, definitely more to what meets the eye with the Carrigaline School unfortunately.
She protested outside the school this morning, that after a meeting last week (Thursday night) that the school would re-open today Monday. The mother got a call Friday to say not to bring her child to school today. No official sanctions just not to come to school and she's left in limbo.
She asked what would happen if she did and they said it would be an official suspension and she does not want that on his record (understandable)

She asked the school if relevant authorities (Tusla Department of Ed etc) were contacted about this and the school said no not yet.
The school want to meet with child's multi disciplinary team (very hard to get all together on short notice) before 'allowing' the child back to school. The child's psychologist said they could attend a meeting at 10am today and the school refused it as not the full team (allegedly according to mother). PJ did ask that the mother is careful in way she phrases things as he himself and her could get in trouble.

The mother didn't shy away from saying that given her son's needs (Autism Spectrum, ADHD and other diagnosis's I can't remember) that she knows her son can be difficult and there has been incidents in the past but the way it's being handled isn't good enough and I agree with her there.

I imagine there will be some sort of press release from school or at minimum so clarification from their side.

At end of day it's a vulnerable child but also understand that the school has the obligation to look after staff and provide a safe work environment.
A tough situation for all.

 

[Rebel CNC]

It is a very tough situation. Maybe that child's issues are so severe that this school just isn't suitable for him. If a child is likely to get so upset/angry that he'll lash out and hurt staff or other pupils, then in the absence of having extra straff available to monitor just this one child, the school appears to have no other option than to keep him out of school.
Hard to say if the school's management of this particular situation is poor or not without knowing exactly the circumstances the school found itself in. The parents will of course allege that the school must do more but unfortunately there is a limit to what any school can do in certain situations.
What's strange though is the school having to close for over a week. There are other schools that have to deal with such issues and they manage them with resorting to closing the whole school.