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I'd love to know what the margin of error is on these.
With the grainy visuals they're working off of too.


Simplify it. Both feet need to be onside.take away this shoulder, sleeve, now add nose to the list bollox.
 
Rules of the game or how Var applies those rules. Pre introduction of var ,Offside has always been contentious with sometimes glaring errors by officials but I think a lot of the adjudication now is not in the spirit of the game and attacking football is suffering as a result .

It's the former.

All VAR is doing is giving a far more accurate verdict on offside than any human could possible hope to have given in real time.

At some point a player must go from being offide to being onside. By all means adjust the rules of the game (as is being done under Wenger's watch as a trial in Canada) but you can't blame VAR for correctly calling a guy offisde when he was...offside.

For an offensive player the timing of a run was always a skill not its close to a farce.

It remains a skill and they remain rewarded if they time the run accurately.
 
Mission Creep (Part…One Million, Probably) 📺
Rory Smith

Conferences are big business these days. It’s not just Zoomers and overworked tech Lib-Brotarians who spend so much time online that they are placing increasing premiums on doing anything IRL. So are other marginalized groups: I spent a day last week with football’s executive class in a lavish London hotel at the FT Business of Football Summit; a couple of days later, the game’s rule-makers gathered together for chitchat, canapés and rule-changes in Cardiff.

The sum total of their work was a succession of tweaks to the Laws of the Game – always capitalized, never settled – that will be introduced in time for this summer’s men’s World Cup. As Mark Chapman, one of the aggregate “Match of the Day” hosts, pointed out this week: using the biggest sporting event on the planet to play around with the rules is definitely a choice.

Most of them seem at least faintly sensible. A countdown timer on throw-ins and goal-kicks. A gentle and inherently rational expansion of the definition of what counts as denial of a goalscoring opportunity. Allowing Video Assistant Referees to adjudicate on whether a player’s second yellow card was warranted, in order to minimize the risk of unnecessary sendings-off.

I’ve spoken to a couple of former players, and one former official, and all of them agreed this last one was a good thing. It is, after all, an injustice when a player is wrongly dismissed for a second bookable offense. This amendment is simply an acknowledgment that there was a lacuna – as well as a logical inconsistency – in VAR’s responsibilities.

All of them assured me that, with such limited scope, there could be no downsides. But the thing is: this is how it always starts. How long is it until a player is sent off for a perfectly valid second yellow, only for there to be an outcry over how soft the first one is? Why, if we are to take this to its extremes, is it the second yellow that can be assessed, and not the first?

I have, this season, reached the conclusion that the only available moral position on VAR is to abolish it. The costs outweigh the benefits. But I’m just about smart enough to know which way the wind is blowing. If I understood what Polymarket was, and I don’t, I would be backing there to be another amendment a couple of years down the line, in which all bookings fall under VAR’s purview. That has been the direction of travel for years. VAR is a case study in mission creep. We know this by now.
 
At some point a player must go from being offide to being onside. By all means adjust the rules of the game (as is being done under Wenger's watch as a trial in Canada) but you can't blame VAR for correctly calling a guy offisde when he was...offside.
Exactly. The line has to drawn somewhere and even if you add the 5cm margin off error you'll get complaints like "his focking x was only 5.000001cm offside ffs".

Either accept there's a definitive offside line which var can judge on or we go back to relying on human judgement.

If we go back to human judgement I better not be hearing any whinging about blatant or close offsides from the Jumpers for goalposts brigade.
 
The only certain thing is whatever we do there will always be complaints about referee decisions (or VAR-assisted decisions, if it remains).

That has always been the case and will never go away.

But at least if we bin VAR we:

- Get back the pure joy of celebrating a goal (without something in the back of your mind telling you to hold your horses)
- Avoid these extended breaks in the game, which are an awful experience for the fans in the ground & affect the overall flow of the game
 
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Before any talk of binning VAR I'd love to see it handed over to actual independent professionals and take it away from the referee morons.
Of course we can't rule our the lads getting an all expenses paid trip to the Middle East but at least it gives it a fair shot


Also for graphics link the Welbeck one that wasn't the angle shown on screen. Show the angle used for the graphic.



Finally if VAR is binned then I never want to hear commentators shout "how's he given that" when they use the 7th slow motion replay from angle 53 to show a minute touch. They rarely call it in real time as it is these days.
 
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