Official UEFA Champions League 24/25 Thread

I honestly thought UEFA favoring the big teams was a conspiracy theory but after last night I have to say the game is corrupt.

That is an absolutely bizarre and ridiculous decision.
If he hit it twice it should have been disallowed,but for the life of me I can’t see that he hit it with his left foot first or at all🤷‍♂️
 
if a goalie moves early and saves they retake, so the goalie gets another chance to save. No so if you're taking a penalty. I don't know what they were measuring that with last night but they must have some next generation 8K zoom capabilities with their cameras as there's no way you can be 100% certain his foot made contact with the ball.
 
While I have sympathy for Alvarez, as whatever touch he made was minimal, some of the commentary afterwards has been bizarre in my opinion.

The kicker has every advantage in a penalty shootout. They can stutter and stop as much as they want in recent years too. To suggest they shouldn't be penalised for not being able to kick the ball with one touch from 12 yards is odd.

Maybe it should count as a save too if the keeper gets any touch on the ball?
 
It's such a niche scenario, but I'd agree the law could do with a tidy up.

Where there's a clearly accidental double touch just let the kick stand. Far more often than not the double touch reduces the likelihood of scoring anyway.

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Uefa will launch talks with Fifa and football’s lawmakers to review the rule that led to Julián Alvarez’s shoot-out penalty against Real Madrid being disallowed for a double touch.

A statement from Uefa said there was a “minimal” contact with his standing foot after the Atletico Madrid forward slipped before he kicked the ball and so the decision was correct under the laws of the game. Uefa also released video footage which appeared to show conclusively that Alvarez made contact with his standing foot before striking the penalty.

However, it will now ask Fifa and the International Football Association Board (Ifab) to consider changing the law “where a double touch is clearly unintentional” so that the penalty is retaken instead of just disallowed.

A Uefa statement read: “Although minimal, the player made contact with the ball using his standing foot before kicking it. Under the current rule [Laws of the Game, Law 14.1], the VAR had to call the referee signalling that the goal should be disallowed.

“Uefa will enter discussions with Fifa and Ifab to determine whether the rule should be reviewed in cases where a double touch is clearly unintentional.”

Alvarez’s first contact with the ball was so minimal that the decision of the VAR to rule it out has been widely questioned, but it is understood Uefa officials at the match were shown replays of the incident afterwards — which were not available to broadcasters — that showed a very slight movement of the ball before the striker kicked it.

The Polish referee, Szymon Marciniak — the referee for the 2022 World Cup final — did not look at the pitchside monitor because under VAR protocols factual decisions such as offsides, double touches and whether the goalkeeper has moved off the line at a penalty are taken by the VAR.

One senior figure in European football told The Times: “This wasn’t the penalty taker trying to play tricks to deceive the goalkeeper.

“The law should change so that if you slip before you take the penalty and there is a minimal double touch then the kick can be re-taken and not just disallowed.

“There is a question, too, of whether VAR should have intervened when there was such slight contact for a nanosecond, but it could also be argued it was a factual decision like a very close offside.”

Another leading football figure told The Times the common sense approach would have been for the VAR to let the penalty stand as the touch was so minimal.

Such incidents are very rare, but happen often enough to consider a change in the law.

In 2023, Aleksandar Mitrovic had a penalty for Fulham against Newcastle United ruled out after he slipped while taking it and kicked the ball against his standing foot. The same thing happened to Riyad Mahrez in 2017 while playing for Leicester City against Manchester City.

Thierry Henry, the former Arsenal and France striker, criticised the lack of information provided to the crowd. He told CBS Sports: “They had the technology to know it had been double-touched so the question is closed.

“We have a lot to take from rugby because it would have been explained, it takes ten seconds. They always explain over a microphone to the ground so everyone knows what is going on.”
 
If he hit it twice it should have been disallowed,but for the life of me I can’t see that he hit it with his left foot first or at all🤷‍♂️
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I saw images from a very special camera angle last night and he did appear to hit the ball with his left foot before striking it with his right.
The rule should allow the kick to be retaken imho.
 
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I saw images from a very special camera angle last night and he did appear to hit the ball with his left foot before striking it with his right.
The rule should allow the kick to be retaken imho.

Why do you take that view Lee?

It certainly feel too harsh to rule out the penalty just for such a minor unintentional rule break

But if a combo of the surface / weather / player biomechanics result in an unintentional double-touch the penalty taker shouldn't get the advantage* of a re-take IMHO

* which is what it'd be in the majority of cases
 
Why do you take that view Lee?

It certainly feel too harsh to rule out the penalty just for such a minor unintentional rule break

But if a combo of the surface / weather / player biomechanics result in an unintentional double-touch the penalty taker shouldn't get the advantage* of a re-take IMHO

* which is what it'd be in the majority of cases
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Just as if keeper moves too early and saves the penalty it is retaken. Imho it is harsh to simply disallow the goal.
 
Imho it is harsh to simply disallow the goal.

Fully agree with this bit (y)

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Just as if keeper moves too early and saves the penalty it is retaken.

If I recall correctly, when a keeper moves too early but the penalty is successful there is no re-take the goal stands. Feels fair, as an early movement from the keeper can be seen as a way to get an advantage.

For me, a genuinely accidental double touch isn't an attempt to gain an advantage - so the penalty should stand...whether he skies the ball or puts it on target. A re-take is probably too kind.
 
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