Nero Fiddling-Europe Burning.

[Yermon]

What? Last census 2022 has 5.15 mill living in the Republic

Doh - my bad. Added the 2M north twice.

Soz guys

 

[Apollo Creed]

Dairy and beef consumption needs to fall, whether or not the Amazon gets further destroyed for the sake of cattle does not depend on us pumping out dairy produce and I don't think the IFA can prove a correlation, but they don't have to because people will believe what they want to and what suits their pockets.

If you follow agri news you'll see that the sector is in a near permanent state of crisis, now it's fodder related, a few months ago it was the price of diesel, last Spring it was too much rain, now it's the lack of rain.

Veg growers here are being ruined by supermarkets selling their produce too cheaply, I was in Super Valu the other day and wanted to buy Irish apples, but none there were, it was a choice of either Brazilian or South African ones, yet our climate is ideally suited to growing apples.

I'm not farmer bashing btw, they were told to boost milk production and for those with a big enough operation it was a no brainer, albeit one that involved heavily investing in slatted sheds and state of the art milking parlours.

You may think it needs to fall and you may even be right but the reality is that it is rapidly rising and will continue to do so.
Therefore it's a question of who produces the beef and dairy and where, because it will be produced, if not here then very likely in Brazil and will supply an inferior product in an ecosystem that is not suited for it.
It's simple supply and demand.

 

[leesider]

Jesus wept..........."India plans to increase its coal production by nearly 100m tonnes to 1.15bn tonnes in the 2025-26 fiscal year to help meet the country’s rising demand for electricity to support economic growth and contend with heatwaves, which have become more severe and more frequent because of the climate crisis."

India fuels worldwide jump in planned coal production

Rise in new mine proposals, mainly in states of Odisha and Jharkhand, comes despite plateau in global demand

www.theguardian.com

 

[Yermon]

Jesus wept..........."India plans to increase its coal production by nearly 100m tonnes to 1.15bn tonnes in the 2025-26 fiscal year to help meet the country’s rising demand for electricity to support economic growth and contend with heatwaves, which have become more severe and more frequent because of the climate crisis."

India fuels worldwide jump in planned coal production

Rise in new mine proposals, mainly in states of Odisha and Jharkhand, comes despite plateau in global demand

www.theguardian.com

I did mention that Ireland's Fossil fuel burning was insignificant to China's and India's but someone tried to shoot that down by telling us that the Chinese are great lads for building solar panels and the like

Ireland consumed 129.2 Terawatt-hours (TWh) of fossil fuels, China consumed over 38,000 Terawatt-hours - about 300 times more than Ireland
India, before their plans to increase, consumed 9,700 TW which is about 75 times as much as Ireland.

India and China between them burn more fossil fuels in a day than Ireland does in a year - Q.E.D.

 

[leesider]

I did mention that Ireland's Fossil fuel burning was insignificant to China's and India's but someone tried to shoot that down by telling us that the Chinese are great lads for building solar panels and the like

Ireland consumed 129.2 Terawatt-hours (TWh) of fossil fuels, China consumed over 38,000 Terawatt-hours - about 300 times more than Ireland
India, before their plans to increase, consumed 9,700 TW which is about 75 times as much as Ireland.

India and China between them burn more fossil fuels in a day than Ireland does in a year - Q.E.D.

True but I would still argue we should be making every effort to decarbonise here anyway, maybe it won't make a blind bit of difference to overall global warming levels but it will most definitely help with local pollution and reducing our reliance on oil from the volatile Middle East.

 

[Yermon]

True but I would still argue we should be making every effort to decarbonise here anyway, maybe it won't make a blind bit of difference to overall global warming levels but it will most definitely help with local pollution and reducing our reliance on oil from the volatile Middle East.

Oh I agree we should be doing our bit, but I don't think we should be doing our bit and extra to make up for everyone else as well in order to be the Greener's teachers pet. We should be responsible without putting our people to cripling costs just so that we satisfy some Greener's wet dream

 

[Apollo Creed]

True but I would still argue we should be making every effort to decarbonise here anyway, maybe it won't make a blind bit of difference to overall global warming levels but it will most definitely help with local pollution and reducing our reliance on oil from the volatile Middle East.

I totally agree. In fact we should aim to become a large exporter of green energy going forward. Our grid need to massively updated, we need to invest in off shore wind and seriously investigate hydrogen storage or with the advances in batteries, battery storage.

However saying we need to stop farming dairy and beef while demand for both is rising globally and India and China are both massively expanding coal production etc is mad. Honestly like where is this beef and dairy going to be produced if not in Ireland? Any one who thinks demand is going to go down is cracked.

The global demand for beef and dairy products is steadily rising, primarily driven by urbanisation, rising incomes, and population growth in middle-income and developing nations. According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and OECD Agricultural Outlook, global per capita consumption of animal-source foods is projected to increase by 6% by 2034, with lower-middle-income countries experiencing a massive 24% surge in intake.

 

[Blue Jasmin]

True but I would still argue we should be making every effort to decarbonise here anyway, maybe it won't make a blind bit of difference to overall global warming levels but it will most definitely help with local pollution and reducing our reliance on oil from the volatile Middle East.

If you combined all the countries with emissions of upto 2% of the global figure together the number would be either above or close to that of China, I saw this recently but can't remember the source, but the point is that what countries like us do does matter.

There's no disputing that China is by far the worst country for GHG emissions but that doesn't leave us off the hook.

 

[leesider]

I totally agree. In fact we should aim to become a large exporter of green energy going forward. Our grid need to massively updated, we need to invest in off shore wind and seriously investigate hydrogen storage or with the advances in batteries, battery storage.

However saying we need to stop farming dairy and beef while demand for both is rising globally and India and China are both massively expanding coal production etc is mad. Honestly like where is this beef and dairy going to be produced if not in Ireland? Any one who thinks demand is going to go down is cracked.

The global demand for beef and dairy products is steadily rising, primarily driven by urbanisation, rising incomes, and population growth in middle-income and developing nations. According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and OECD Agricultural Outlook, global per capita consumption of animal-source foods is projected to increase by 6% by 2034, with lower-middle-income countries experiencing a massive 24% surge in intake.

Would agree a sensible approach needs to be taken. One thing that always pisses me off about Ireland is the lack of forestry, and then most forestry we have are pine trees which are crap for wildlife. We have the lowest forestry cover in Europe and I do think that is something we need to tackle as well.

 

[leesider]

If you combined all the countries with emissions of upto 2% of the global figure together the number would be either above or close to that of China, I saw this recently but can't remember the source, but the point is that what countries like us do does matter.

There's no disputing that China is by far the worst country for GHG emissions but that doesn't leave us off the hook.

I agree with that as well but a realistic apprach for farming needs to be taken, as in where is it going to come from etc.