Marina Market to go BANG?

[RebelBOK]

Setting up a business in an industrial area and attracting thousands of people into that area, particularly one where chemicals are stored, is extremely dangerous.

Industrial accidents

Preventing and mitigating the risk of industrial accidents

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If an actual investigation on the level of risk posed in the immediate vicinity of the market is done and it dictates that the continued existence of the market poses a significant and/or high level of risk to the public then absolutely it should cease to exist in its current location. However no such investigation has been done, all we know is that the council has expressed concern. Until such facts are established statements such as yours are nothing more than speculative.

Don't forget that what the Marina Market is asking for here is an extension to the license it already posseses meaning IT WAS granted permission in the first instance to operate as it is now.
But look things can change, new things can come to light, I'm not going to pretend otherwise, problem is the Market has grown too big now to be just swept aside, if there are valid safety concerns in relation to hazardous materials then a report has to be done to determine whether those concerns are legitimate or not. Simply stating duh "let's put a crèche on a runway" isn't how the real world works.

I absolutely agree that the volume of traffic now going up and down Kennedy Quay is both unsustainable and dangerous and I think closing off that quay to work vehicles only is the sensible approach while diverting traffic down center park road with a view to maybe sourcing alternative parking facilities is the best solution going forward.

The fact is the Marina Market has become not only hugely popular to locals but a main attraction in many a Cork visitor guide. To just shut it down without trying to find solutions to any issues either perceived or proven would be incredibly short sighted and show a complete lack of understanding and consideration of what is working in the city for both locals and visitors alike.

Throw in the fact that it is now home to dozens of small, local, independent businesses that coupled with the people who work directly for the Marina Market itself probably accounts for north of a hundred jobs then yes there absolutely is many brain-dead posts on here from people proclaiming it should be simply shut down without as much as a second thought.

 

[Drucker]

If an actual investigation on the level of risk posed in the immediate vicinity of the market is done and it dictates that the continued existence of the market poses a significant and/or high level of risk to the public then absolutely it should cease to exist in its current location. However no such investigation has been done, all we know is that the council has expressed concern. Until such facts are established statements such as yours are nothing more than speculative.

Don't forget that what the Marina Market is asking for here is an extension to the license it already posseses meaning IT WAS granted permission in the first instance to operate as it is now.
But look things can change, new things can come to light, I'm not going to pretend otherwise, problem is the Market has grown too big now to be just swept aside, if there are valid safety concerns in relation to hazardous materials then a report has to be done to determine whether those concerns are legitimate or not. Simply stating duh "let's put a crèche on a runway" isn't how the real world works.

I absolutely agree that the volume of traffic now going up and down Kennedy Quay is both unsustainable and dangerous and I think closing off that quay to work vehicles only is the sensible approach while diverting traffic down center park road with a view to maybe sourcing alternative parking facilities is the best solution going forward.

The fact is the Marina Market has become not only hugely popular to locals but a main attraction in many a Cork visitor guide. To just shut it down without trying to find solutions to any issues either perceived or proven would be incredibly short sighted and show a complete lack of understanding and consideration of what is working in the city for both locals and visitors alike.

Throw in the fact that it is now home to dozens of small, local, independent businesses that coupled with the people who work directly for the Marina Market itself probably accounts for north of a hundred jobs then yes there absolutely is many brain-dead posts on here from people proclaiming it should be simply shut down without as much as a second thought.

This should all have been clarified before they started trading.
Usually you get planning permission before you start. These guys seem to think that planning laws don’t apply to them. I’m not disagreeing with any of the pros and cons of the market. I’m merely saying it shouldn’t be there until it gets permission.

 

[RebelBOK]

This should all have been clarified before they started trading.
Usually you get planning permission before you start. These guys seem to think that planning laws don’t apply to them. I’m not disagreeing with any of the pros and cons of the market. I’m merely saying it shouldn’t be there until it gets permission.

My point is they must have been given some form of approval/permission when they first started operating otherwise they would have been shut down on the spot given the list of safety standards they would need to comply with such as the fire code, food safety standards, sanitation etc etc etc...
So this assertion that they started operating without permission is most likely completely false.

Now it is very possible that they were given some sort of conditional and/or temporary permission given it first came about during the middle of COVID and normal rules weren't really applied then and it could be possible that it is now seen as incompatible with normal pre COVID levels of traffic etc... that we now have back.

If that is the case then fair enough a full investigation into its feasibility and safety should be carried out but whatever the outcome the Market has now proven itself to be too beneficial to loose so solutions will have to be found rather than just getting rid of it.

 

[Jim Comic]

Good man Jim.

You are of course aware of all the environmental laws that have been introduced since the 80's to protect people ?

fuck that 80s shit, man.... HOWEVER seeing as TNB seems to be involved down there I think the entire place should be nuked from orbit

 

[daftbrush]

The examiner this morning is that discussion are to take place .
This sets a precident in that anyone who is refused permission can stall it.
It had has opened the floodgates to the whole planning process

 

[Stacky]

My point is they must have been given some form of approval/permission when they first started operating otherwise they would have been shut down on the spot given the list of safety standards they would need to comply with such as the fire code, food safety standards, sanitation etc etc etc...
So this assertion that they started operating without permission is most likely completely false.

Now it is very possible that they were given some sort of conditional and/or temporary permission given it first came about during the middle of COVID and normal rules weren't really applied then and it could be possible that it is now seen as incompatible with normal pre COVID levels of traffic etc... that we now have back.

If that is the case then fair enough a full investigation into its feasibility and safety should be carried out but whatever the outcome the Market has now proven itself to be too beneficial to loose so solutions will have to be found rather than just getting rid of it.

Port of Cork is moving to Ringaskiddy and had already moved a large portion of its operations there. Likewise Tivoli Docks will be moving as well as a bridge to the Marina.

Goulding's has sold to O'Callaghan Properties and they are proposing 1,000+ apartments there as well as other developers large scale developments for the area to make it long-term residential over the next 1- - 15 years.

It probably has temporary use as a market as well as a fire safety cert etc to cover insurance etc and their main issue which is traffic and parking sounds like a fixable traffic management issue.

It now has an established use and is very popular and accessible by walking and bike etc. and the Council are getting a large rates contribution.

Whatever about the merits of the application and there are huge positives as a destination market Cork City Council are taking a very negative approach here as well as not even being fit for purpose as a Council on delivering a modern easily accessible city for all users as well as gross neglect of the built environment, public realm from lighting to footpaths as well as non-enforcement of derelict levies and vacant buildings etc.

 

[Stacky]

The examiner this morning is that discussion are to take place .
This sets a precident in that anyone who is refused permission can stall it.
It had has opened the floodgates to the whole planning process

No, it can only be appealed.

A new application is possible but a refusal on the site is very negative from a planning point of view for the owner/applicant.

 

[SoundMan]

Where are they going to put it, on stilts?
That's the kind of comment that will get you nominated for IOTY .

You're showing your newbie credentials with that post pm. That's not how IOTY noms work

 

[SoundMan]

Obviously impacting on other businesses that operate within the law and should ave been shut down long ago. By your reasoning nobody should bother taxing their car until they get caught.

Not sure how you can jump from someone saying people applying retrospectively for retention is the same as reasoning "nobody should bother taxing their car until they get caught."

It wasn't as though they were keeping Marina Market quiet - the opposite in fact was true.

 

[SoundMan]

there was always thousands of people in the area when ford and Dunlops were down there

And during covid when people were out trying to get some exercise Centre Park Road and Monaghan Road were heaving on the weekends with pedestrians.

Still laughing at the suggestion that Tommy No Bobs rescued Cork City FC by the way