Immigration Thread

[Yermon]

All over the news that a Congolese man who'd been living in Ireland "for decades" died after being restrained on Henry Street in Dublin on Friday night.

RTE interviewed some lady who is the vice-chair of Congolese Association in Ireland or somesuch.

The woman said that the deceased had come to Ireland decades ago as a student and then stayed on and became I think it was a computer engineer, but was detained on Friday when suspected of shoplifting.

She said Congolese people have become very uneasy in Ireland now and bemoaned that the Ireland of 30/35 years ago has changed.
Then the interviewed the Chair of the Congolese Association who said that Ireland is no longer the safe place that it used to be.

Well pardon me but if a Congalese immigrant who has been educated and worked in Ireland as an engineer on presumably reasonable wages is out shop-lifting, and injured someone in their 80s while trying to escape, while he shouldn't have died, the breakdown in Irish society is hardly something his fellow Congalese can be pointing the finger at Irish people for - or am I missing something

 

[Yermon]

What were you using for PPS number up to now? I've mine since I was 19

Sorry, I of course meant Public Service Card

 

[Ogre Moran]

This article is a rind with 24 hours. Surprised it hasn't been picked up on as it was the lead article on the IT for a while yesterday. No chewing on the fat on the way back to Pakistan.

Pork sausages served on flight deporting 24 men from Ireland to Pakistan

Human rights monitor understood halal food would be available, but it was ‘not specified in the flight brief’

www.irishtimes.com

 

[Yermon]

This article is a rind with 24 hours. Surprised it hasn't been picked up on as it was the lead article on the IT for a while yesterday. No chewing on the fat on the way back to Pakistan.

Pork sausages served on flight deporting 24 men from Ireland to Pakistan

Human rights monitor understood halal food would be available, but it was ‘not specified in the flight brief’

www.irishtimes.com

They'd have had to rely on streaky rations instead I guess

 

[Ogre Moran]

They'd have had to rely on streaky rations instead I guess

The author of the piece, Kitty Holland, has been accused of telling porkies in the past but she is on the meat here.

 

[Clubber_Langer]

The author of the piece, Kitty Holland, has been accused of telling porkies in the past but she is on the meat here.

What was that about again. she pretended she witnessed some migrant tents being attacked and the cops contradicted her or something

 

[Ogre Moran]

What was that about again. she pretended she witnessed some migrant tents being attacked and the cops contradicted her or something

Yes, they were camped up in the Phoenix Park. She didn't do due diligence on her sources. She must have liked the story. There's a deeper point here though: she'll get worked up about pork sausages on a plane, while lambasting Ryan Casey for expressing articulate, if forthright, views on migration to the point where she defamed him (not that it cost her a penny).

 

[King Silkbeard]

All over the news that a Congolese man who'd been living in Ireland "for decades" died after being restrained on Henry Street in Dublin on Friday night.

RTE interviewed some lady who is the vice-chair of Congolese Association in Ireland or somesuch.

The woman said that the deceased had come to Ireland decades ago as a student and then stayed on and became I think it was a computer engineer, but was detained on Friday when suspected of shoplifting.

She said Congolese people have become very uneasy in Ireland now and bemoaned that the Ireland of 30/35 years ago has changed.
Then the interviewed the Chair of the Congolese Association who said that Ireland is no longer the safe place that it used to be.

Well pardon me but if a Congalese immigrant who has been educated and worked in Ireland as an engineer on presumably reasonable wages is out shop-lifting, and injured someone in their 80s while trying to escape, while he shouldn't have died, the breakdown in Irish society is hardly something his fellow Congalese can be pointing the finger at Irish people for - or am I missing something

Yes but we are not Saudi Arabia, you don't get executed for robbery here.

 

[Yermon]

Yes but we are not Saudi Arabia, you don't get executed for robbery here.

Don't know the details but I suspect it was an accidental death - not sure that security staff in a shop have the right to detain you on the street (maybe there's some kind of citizen's arrest thing at work there but they're only permitted to use a level of force that is reasonable and proportionate to detain the suspect. Excessive force can result in civil or criminal charges). Sad that he lost his life but spare us the "Ireland has become a dangerous place for Congolese" shtick purlease.

I still can't get over the irony of the Congolese Association bemoaning the changes in Ireland from 30/35 years ago. When I was growing up, given Ireland's recent UN duties and casualties in the Congo I don't think there'd have been many from the Congo looking on Ireland as being the ideal destination to be an immigrant. Indeed back in the day, the pretty common calling someone Balubas (a tribe from the Congo) was a bit of an insult meaning they were either pissed or just "mad"

 

[jams]

All over the news that a Congolese man who'd been living in Ireland "for decades" died after being restrained on Henry Street in Dublin on Friday night.

RTE interviewed some lady who is the vice-chair of Congolese Association in Ireland or somesuch.

The woman said that the deceased had come to Ireland decades ago as a student and then stayed on and became I think it was a computer engineer, but was detained on Friday when suspected of shoplifting.

She said Congolese people have become very uneasy in Ireland now and bemoaned that the Ireland of 30/35 years ago has changed.
Then the interviewed the Chair of the Congolese Association who said that Ireland is no longer the safe place that it used to be.

Well pardon me but if a Congalese immigrant who has been educated and worked in Ireland as an engineer on presumably reasonable wages is out shop-lifting, and injured someone in their 80s while trying to escape, while he shouldn't have died, the breakdown in Irish society is hardly something his fellow Congalese can be pointing the finger at Irish people for - or am I missing something

Bertie’s worried about the Congo