Deirdre Morley v Alan Hawe..

Roxetten

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I'm surprised you'd choose this hill to die on.



Www.independent.ie

That reminds me.

Good article in the Sindo yesterday.

Like all mothers, Deirdre Morley worried about her children. Her worries were of the character that are so common as to be mundane — immediately relatable to every parent in Ireland. She worried about how much screen time they were having, their diet, how they were adapting to school. When her first child was born, she worried about his development and his routine.

She worried, as all parents do at one time or another, whether her frailties, her imperfections as a human being, were causing her children damage.

A parent who is mentally well can entertain these worries briefly and then dismiss or compartmentalize them — shift focus to something else.

But Deirdre Morley was not mentally well and she was tormented by them. To such an extent they became her only reality; a catastrophic narrative that led her to believe that she had failed her children, that their lives and hopes of future happiness were irredeemably tainted. And that it was her fault.

Altruistic filicide, when a parent kills their child or children out of a belief that doing so is the only way to spare them suffering, is mercifully rare.

But the negative feelings, and the warped rationale that drives the impulse are not uncommon. Anyone who have ever had a run-in with clinical depression might recognise the disordered, black-and-white thinking behind Morley’s sense of worthlessness, her conviction that her life had become a wasteland, that there was no hope.

They’d recognise too, the longing for the relief of oblivion. Or as Morley eloquently put it in late 2019, “I just want to evaporate”.

Deirdre Morley wanted, desperately, to do her best for her children. She wanted to spare no effort on their behalf, even if that meant relieving them of the burden of being alive. To someone who is severely, suicidally depressed as she was, life is not a gift, it is a curse. Sentience itself is unbearable suffering.

She over-identified with her children. Her fate and theirs became one and the same. She came to believe that because of her own poor mental health, and its impact on her parenting, she had condemned them to suffer as she suffered. “They were broken like me because I couldn’t parent them, I couldn’t be resilient,” she told gardai after she was arrested. To seek relief herself through suicide would mean abandoning them to suffer alone. And in her warped logic, that was a dereliction of maternal duty that she couldn’t bear to countenance.

In the aftermath of the case, the functioning of mental health services in Ireland has been called into question. There will be a review into Deirdre Morley’s care and it is welcome. Not least for the sake of her bereaved husband Andrew McGinley, a man of superhuman dignity and courage in the face of unthinkable loss. He must live forever with the knowledge that earlier, more decisive intervention could have prevented the calamity that laid waste to his family. Deirdre Morley said so herself. Within a week of being prescribed anti-psychotics after she was taken into custody, she was lucid. She called it a “wonder drug” — “if only I had had this last week, things would have been different” she told her psychiatrist.

But parsing the details of this case and others like it for insights into prevention of filicide is delicate and difficult. The need to identify red flags needs to be balanced against the risk of stigmatising parents and driving them further into isolation, discouraging them from seeking help. Depression in mothers is common. Mothers who experience self-loathing and overwhelming anxiety and even passive suicidal ideation are ten a penny in our society. Mothers who are driven to kill as a result represent an infinitesimal fraction of them.

There’s not an awful lot of research or literature on altruistic filicide. Resources that examine preventative measures are scant, likely because samples are so small. But one review published in The Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law in 2005 counsels mental heath professionals that “depressed and suicidal parents should be directly questioned regarding the fate of their children in the event of their suicide. Appropriate treatment should be initiated and safety measures taken. The clinician should also determine whether any child is ‘over-loved,’ considered an extended part of the self, or the focus of paranoid delusions.”

This speaks directly to the particularities of the Morley case but seems to me to present more questions than it does answers. How do you identify a child who is ‘over-loved’? And in very early childhood, where dependence is absolute, young children do seem like an ‘extended part’ of the mother. From pregnancy on women come to understand in a primal way that their child’s survival depends on their survival. How do we distinguish a fusional parent/child relationship that is healthy and one that is pathological?

Above all, this unbearably sad case is a reminder of the brutally destructive power of mental illness and of the wide-reaching collateral damage it can cause. What happened to the children of Deirdre Morley is an isolated tragedy. But today in Ireland hundreds of thousands of families are suffering harm and trauma as a result of parental depression. If the legacy of Conor, Darragh and Carla is that more emphasis and resources are put against supporting those families, then that can only be for the good.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/brutally-destructive-power-of-mental-illnessbrought-home-in-morley-case-40457319.html
 

Matlock

Full Member
The poor man has deleted his facebook account due to abusive comments posted re his wife, people are poisonous,

I find it extraordinary that anyone would look at this situation and see it as an opportunity to troll.

I just cant understand the mindset at all.
 
TUE, 08 JUN, 2021 - 11:12
ALISON O’RIORDAN
Paediatric nurse Deirdre Morley, who smothered her three young children at their family home and was found not guilty of their murders by reason of insanity, has been committed to the Central Mental Hospital (CMH) today.

A Central Criminal Court judge made the order this morning, nearly three weeks after a jury returned the special verdicts following the trial of the 44-year-old highly trained clinical nurse.

Mr Justice Paul Coffey said today that Ms Morley continues to suffer from a mental disorder under the meaning of the legislation and is in need of inpatient care at a designated centre.

Ms Morley, of Parson's Court, Newcastle, Co Dublin, had pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to the murder of her sons Conor McGinley (9) and Darragh McGinley (7) and her daughter Carla McGinley (3). The children's bodies were discovered at the family home just before 8pm on January 24 last year.

On May 20, Ms Morley was found not guilty by reason of insanity after a jury accepted the evidence given by two psychiatrists that the accused, who specialised in renal care at Our Lady's Hospital in Crumlin, was suffering from a mental disorder at the time of the three killings and fulfilled the criteria for the special verdict.

The two consultant forensic psychiatrists called as expert witnesses were both in agreement that the accused was unable to appreciate what she had done was morally wrong and was unable to refrain from her actions.

Following the verdicts, trial judge Mr Justice Coffey made an order committing Ms Morley to the CMH in Dundrum until May 31 so that an approved medical officer could prepare a psychiatric assessment.

The case was adjourned on that date to allow time for lawyers to consider the psychiatric report.

The matter was back before the court today, where Mr Justice Coffey made the order committing Ms Morley to the CMH for inpatient care.

Ms Morley appeared via video-link from the CMH.

'A desperately sad case'

Ms Morley's three-day trial at the Central Criminal Court was described by the State as "a desperately sad case".

The case, Ms Morley's defence counsel had told the jury, was a "tragedy of enormous proportions", with the "tragic irony" of the accused being someone who had committed her entire professional life to the care of children as a paediatric nurse.

Assistant State Pathologist Dr Margot Bolster found the children had died by asphyxia from compressions of the chest area and airways.

Dr Brenda Wright, called by the defence, gave a detailed description of the accused's mental state deteriorating in the weeks before the killing and said she was suffering with bipolar affective disorder at the time. The witness said the defendant believed it was morally right to smother her three children as she thought she had "irreparably damaged" them and "had to put an end to their suffering".

Dr Mary Davoren, for the prosecution, testified that the accused was suffering at a minimum from recurrent depressive disorder and experienced a severe depressive episode on the day.

In her opening address, prosecution counsel Anne-Marie Lawlor SC said the jury's primary concern would be the accused's mental state on January 24 and there was no issue in the case as to what happened to the children and how they died.

[Examiner]
 

JackFate

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He was due to speak on the Late Late show who as we all know love a good misery slot. Who, who had the power to pick up the phone to RTE and say cancel the slot as it's bad for the brand. Who or what people or very well reknnowend people/place could do that?
Who, who had the power to shut down a man who's daughter took her own life after she was booted out of a certain place due to being rude to staff?
Are the rumours true that the junior rte staff member was fired after letting that father to be live on air with joe duffy, is it true that a panicked Duffy cut to an ad break when the heartbroken father said his daughter quickly died after being booted out of a certain institution?

Who has that power? Is it someone who regulary appears on rte to promote the "brand" and also pay for regular ad slots promoting the brand.

Who has the power to make a very, very serious incident regarding Al Porter simply vanish from media overnight?
Would 35 k be something that could make it go away?

Would these people like to answer to a recent tragedy where someone took their life? Would this hallowed institution like to discuss about a person who commited suicide recently? Someone who had appointments cancelled in hospital due to a very disruptive and disliked patient causing havoc.

People in agony desperate for the help but could not get seen because some one hit wonder was kicking off. Shame on that place for EVERYTHING. They monitor all news media and social media 24/7 so....I am guessing they know who I am...My response is simple
get in touch assholes, you know who I am. It's not for public consumption but......sexual harrasment on a certain ward and a male
patient almost being raped in the toliets of a certain ward?......

Get in touch, don't run to rte for a cover up, I'm waiting motherfuckers. Any Place, Any Time.
 

Matlock

Full Member
He was due to speak on the Late Late show who as we all know love a good misery slot. Who, who had the power to pick up the phone to RTE and say cancel the slot as it's bad for the brand. Who or what people or very well reknnowend people/place could do that?
Who, who had the power to shut down a man who's daughter took her own life after she was booted out of a certain place due to being rude to staff?
Are the rumours true that the junior rte staff member was fired after letting that father to be live on air with joe duffy, is it true that a panicked Duffy cut to an ad break when the heartbroken father said his daughter quickly died after being booted out of a certain institution?

Who has that power? Is it someone who regulary appears on rte to promote the "brand" and also pay for regular ad slots promoting the brand.

Who has the power to make a very, very serious incident regarding Al Porter simply vanish from media overnight?
Would 35 k be something that could make it go away?

Would these people like to answer to a recent tragedy where someone took their life? Would this hallowed institution like to discuss about a person who commited suicide recently? Someone who had appointments cancelled in hospital due to a very disruptive and disliked patient causing havoc.

People in agony desperate for the help but could not get seen because some one hit wonder was kicking off. Shame on that place for EVERYTHING. They monitor all news media and social media 24/7 so....I am guessing they know who I am...My response is simple
get in touch assholes, you know who I am. It's not for public consumption but......sexual harrasment on a certain ward and a male
patient almost being raped in the toliets of a certain ward?......

Get in touch, don't run to rte for a cover up, I'm waiting motherfuckers. Any Place, Any Time.
If you are referring to Andrew McGinley then I believe that it was Deirdre Morley (through her legal team) who objected.

No idea what you are talking about regarding Joe Duffy.

Suggesting that the case against Al Porter was paid off is very serious, and also very defamatory. Might be worth considering removing that tbh. Also, as it was a criminal case, even a pay off to the alleged victim wouldn't be enough to make the DPP drop the charges.

Again, I don't know what you are talking about in the rest of your post.
 

TheOutdoorThreadmill

Poster of Savage Greatness.
Who has the power to make a very, very serious incident regarding Al Porter simply vanish from media overnight?
The gardai? They investigated the claims and found no evidence for the first two claim and a third charge was dropped. Do you want the media to keep a non story in the spotlight 4 years after the Gardai concluded it's investigation?
But continue on with your outrage, it's enjoyable. :ROFLMAO:
 

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