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And much of that 600M is being used to purchase busses next year BEFORE the proposed roadway changes are approved. Would seem very foolish if, as has been suggested, some of these busses won't be able to operate on certain routes without the necessary roadway changes being in place first.

I get that a viable, which means it must be dependable and timely, public transport system is good for the city and for the planet, but this headlong rush into trying to make private car drivers somehow social pariahs is madness imho. Yes there should be safe cycle lanes - but making them 1.8M wide in both directions without even an imposition that cyclists must stick rigidly to cycle lanes would seem an utter nonsense. And is there really a need for footpaths to be 3M wide on both sides as well??? The whole plan seems ill thought out tbh.

Making shit up now Soundman.
Hilarious...
 
I think there's more wrong with it than just the business stifling aspects too. While chopping down trees, CPOing peoples' gardens, and making residents drive miles further on one-way systems clearly isn't environmentally friendly, and mightn't cost someone cycling in from Carrigaline a thought, it will lead to much resentment amongst urban dwellers living on or near those routes. And this is all without the inevitable disruptions, noise, and dirt of constructions on the various roadways.

And while the occasional cycle can be cathartic, telling someone that they must cycle in the rain or wait at a bus stop as full bus after full bus passes by won't be popular or appreciated. I'm told this TFI plan was conceived by planners in Dublin where they live in a relatively flat city where there's less rain. Giving cyclist primacy over cars in Cork's hilly and relatively wet city doesn't make as much sense as it might in dublin imho.

Just on the last bit, the bus connects plan for Cork was done by Jarrett Walker, who is more of an expert than you or I on these matters.

He and his team have worked all over the world on bus transportation.
 

SoundMan

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Whats your solution, since you love to give out about traffic?
Build more roads, but don't take peoples gardens for the space?

I've already said I can see the merit in some cycle lanes, BUT, and it's a big BUT, once separate cycle lanes where no traffic can go, have been provided cyclists should be restricted to staying in their cycle lanes and not weaving in and out of traffic on drivers' blind sides - it'll be safer all round.

There should not be the need to provide overly wide cycle lanes and footpaths (now that they'll be free of cyclists as well). There can be enough room for cars but with busses getting priority lanes. People who have bought and paid for their properties shouldn't have to give them up in order that some bus can get from Maryborough Hill into the city centre two minutes faster, and cyclists can come up from their detached homes in Carrigaline. And as for chopping down mature trees with huge leaf canopies to make way for all of this it's bonkers imho.
 

SoundMan

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Making shit up now Soundman.
Hilarious...
"And much of that 600M is being used to purchase busses next year BEFORE the proposed roadway changes are approved. Would seem very foolish if, as has been suggested, some of these busses won't be able to operate on certain routes without the necessary roadway changes being in place first.

I get that a viable, which means it must be dependable and timely, public transport system is good for the city and for the planet, but this headlong rush into trying to make private car drivers somehow social pariahs is madness imho. Yes there should be safe cycle lanes - but making them 1.8M wide in both directions without even an imposition that cyclists must stick rigidly to cycle lanes would seem an utter nonsense. And is there really a need for footpaths to be 3M wide on both sides as well??? The whole plan seems ill thought out tbh."


Which part of what I wrote are you claiming to be made up jank?
 

SoundMan

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Just on the last bit, the bus connects plan for Cork was done by Jarrett Walker, who is more of an expert than you or I on these matters.

He and his team have worked all over the world on bus transportation.

The man who pays the piper calls the tune

If you want a report to say XYZ then you just have to pay someone to come up with a report that'll say XYZ. The more experienced the expert the more you're likely to have to pay.
 
Was down early yesterday for the football games so went for a walk around the marina park, while there a child on a push bike was hit by a lad on a motorised scooter,while the child was wrong the park should be no place for motorised scooters/bikes.
 

SoundMan

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Was down early yesterday for the football games so went for a walk around the marina park, while there a child on a push bike was hit by a lad on a motorised scooter,while the child was wrong the park should be no place for motorised scooters/bikes.

Those motorised scooters should be legislated for immediately imho. There should be an obligation for them to have lights front and back, for their driver to wear a helmet and ideally a high-viz vest or have some high-viz marking on the scooter, and they should be speed limited. And it should be enforced!
 
Just on the last bit, the bus connects plan for Cork was done by Jarrett Walker, who is more of an expert than you or I on these matters.

He and his team have worked all over the world on bus transportation.
That crowd worked on the redesign of the full bus network.

The infrastructure for the 12(?) main routes in the news at the moment was done by a bunch of different contractors.

2 very separate parts to the Bus Connects plan
 

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