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Matlock

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Background context, in case anyone has managed to miss it

The case itself doesn't shock me (which in itself is awful to admit) but I am shocked that 50 men saw a message that said "Free pussy" in a group chat and not one of them rang the police. Not one of them even seemed to have questioned what the fuck was going on. 50 like!!!!!!

What the actual fuck lads?
 
Background context, in case anyone has managed to miss it

The case itself doesn't shock me (which in itself is awful to admit) but I am shocked that 50 men saw a message that said "Free pussy" in a group chat and not one of them rang the police. Not one of them even seemed to have questioned what the fuck was going on. 50 like!!!!!!

What the actual fuck lads?

Some study this morning showed that a third of Irish men under the age of 25 don't care about rape
 
Some study this morning showed that a third of Irish men under the age of 25 don't care about rape
That is not what the report said MOE!

Here's a synopsis from the IT - doesn't make for great reading


‘Two in five’ young men think rape victims partly responsible if drinking or taking drugs​

Sceptical attitudes are evident across population, regardless of age or gender, Dublin Rape Crisis Centre survey finds​


A survey found 15 per cent of adults believe a person who is raped while under the influence of alcohol or drugs is at least partially responsible
Almost two-in-five men under the age of 25 believe rape victims are partly responsible if they were taking drugs or drinking alcohol, according to new research from the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre (DRCC).

Overall, 15 per cent of adults believe a person who is raped while under the influence of alcohol or drugs is at least partially responsible. Among men under 25 this rises to 37 per cent, and among women under 25 to 25 per cent.

By contrast, 88 per cent of adults agree that a perpetrator who is under the influence should be held just as responsible as one who is not.

Sceptical and victim-blaming attitudes are evident across the population, regardless of age or gender – at levels of 10 per cent to 20 per cent – but among men under 25 they are far more common, according to the survey.

About one-in-five adults surveyed (19 per cent) believe there are “a lot” of false rape allegations made in Ireland. More than half (56 per cent) say they would believe someone who told them they had been raped while drunk or taking drugs – down from 60 per cent last year – while 35 per cent do not know how they would react.

The DRCC on Wednesday published the findings of its second annual national study of attitudes towards and experiences of rape and sexual violence in the Republic.

For the second year running, fear of not being believed is the biggest barrier the public identifies to survivors seeking support, cited by 82 per cent of adults.

Fewer than one in four (22 per cent) believe victims of rape or sexual violence are treated fairly by the Irish justice system, and less than half (43 per cent) think Ireland is a country where victims can speak openly about what happened to them. Among women, that figure falls to 38 per cent.

Almost half of men aged 18 to 24 (48 per cent) believe there are “a lot” of false rape allegations, compared with the 19 per cent of adults overall. A third of young men say a rape should not be believed unless there is a guilty verdict in court (34 per cent compared to 12 per cent overall) or unless it has been reported to gardaí (31 per cent compared to 12 per cent overall).

Two-in-five young men (40 per cent) believe rape and sexual violence are exaggerated by the media (compared to 15 per cent overall), and 14 per cent say they would doubt someone who told them they had been raped while drunk.

“The findings on young men are the most striking in the research and underscore the need for engagement, engagement and leadership given that lasting attitudes are shaped early,” Rachel Morrogh, DRCC chief executive, said.

Next year the centre is to work on a new pilot programme to “engage with young men on positive masculinity”.

“We will work collaboratively with them to understand the root causes of their opinions and what interventions would help to give them a different worldview that is not so harmful to women and girls,” Morrogh said.

The widest gulf in the research is between young men and older women – 48 per cent of men aged 18 to 24 believe there are many false rape allegations, compared with 8 per cent of women aged 65 and over.

As to the view that someone who does not report to gardaí should not be believed, the gap among 18 to 24-year-olds is 31 per cent of men against 2 per cent of women of the same age.

“These attitudes have direct consequences for survivors,” a statement from the DRCC said.

Among those who have experienced rape, only 17 per cent reported it to the gardaí; 22 per cent sought medical treatment; and 28 per cent sought counselling or other support. About two in five (41 per cent) told only a friend or family member, and almost one-in-five (19 per cent) told no one at all.

The research surveyed 1,036 adults from August 31st to September 11th.

The DRCC can be contacted online or via its 24-hour helpline 1800 778888
 
Background context, in case anyone has managed to miss it

The case itself doesn't shock me (which in itself is awful to admit) but I am shocked that 50 men saw a message that said "Free pussy" in a group chat and not one of them rang the police. Not one of them even seemed to have questioned what the fuck was going on. 50 like!!!!!!

What the actual fuck lads?
Not sure anyone here will be able to help you with this one MattY, as it would seem an issue rooted in frat culture in US colleges. Honestly, if one of my buddies posted a message in our group chat saying Free Pussy, the chances are no one would even respond because it doesn't make a lot of sense. If someone was more explicit and said 'we have a girl here that we are raping, does anyone fancy joining in?' the reaction would be altogether different, and yes people would be looking to sort it out immediately. Translating this back to my college days the same would go
 
Not sure anyone here will be able to help you with this one MattY, as it would seem an issue rooted in frat culture in US colleges. Honestly, if one of my buddies posted a message in our group chat saying Free Pussy, the chances are no one would even respond because it doesn't make a lot of sense. If someone was more explicit and said 'we have a girl here that we are raping, does anyone fancy joining in?' the reaction would be altogether different, and yes people would be looking to sort it out immediately. Translating this back to my college days the same would go
It is the most bizarre thing.
 
Education education education.
And I'm not talking about the type you get in a school.
A persons primary education on LIFE should come from home, from their parents.
Empathy, understanding, the ability to listen, the ability to stop and think.
These are all qualities and traits that can and should be thought to children as they grow but we are increasingly living in a world where parents think that this sort of education can also be offloaded to school teachers.

I was watching a true crime documentary recently where a 17yo kid who was dealing drugs got his head smashed in by some rival gang over in the UK.
In synopsis the investigating police officer concluded that it "wasn't the parents fault" their child went down the road of selling drugs and subsequently getting his head bashed in as "they were the nicest people you could meet" before proceeding to rattle off cliches about how it "takes a village to raise a child" etc..
This sort of attitude is leaving parents off the hook imo.
Some parents now seem more concerned with being their childrens friend rather than a parent or a mentor or a disciplinarian.
Letting them game or scroll or wander around aimlessly with other youths rather than giving them the most valuable thing we have to offer them, time!
Our time.
Talking to them, guiding them, telling them stories, answering questions, educating them.

If we are failing to spend time with our kids, to fully invest ourselves in the job of raising them, then a world full of porn and drugs and violence and toxic masculinity etc etc etc... will be more than happy to fill the void.
 
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