Cork Hurlers - Part 2

[red&blue]

Jez when I follow the game through that analysis it doesn’t seem too bad…. The reality being in the stadium was that Galway were hunting every breaking ball like men possessed and our poor lads were shell shocked in the second half. Unfortunately the goal attempts sucked a bit of the life out of us when if we had shown a bit of composure and got it back to 2-3pts perhaps some panic may have set in for Galway and our lads may have clicked a bit better.

it was that bad, ww were doing ok for 25 minutes, alot of goid ball hit into Hayes but the few minutes before and after half time changed the game, Galway pushed upon us and we had no answers, Halway were hungrier, better coached and more focused, it was hard watching it back

 

[Meanach]

Nobody does, and it wreaks his head!

HaHa,
Heartbroken again like last year!
Interesting

 

[Rebelsforsam1]

I don’t think they learned enough. When it was going against them on Saturday they did nothing to slow the game down. Even start an aul row or something.

They’d have finished the game with 10 men. Johnny Murphy would have waved red cards to every red jersey he saw. Red rag to a bull.Hope Galway go all the way. They’re peaking at right time and 2 good performances against Dublin and Cork will give momentum.

 

[Rebelsforsam1]

HaHa,
Heartbroken again like last year!
Interesting

Looks like you’re more interested in Cork’s plight than anyone else. Cork have a chance at redemption,.,,, you? A sad parody of a man!

 

[Ogre Moran]

When you find yourself agreeing with Pat Spillane ...

Pat Spillane Blasts Dónal Óg Cusack's 'Smug' Cork GAA Behaviour | Balls.ie

Pat Spillane criticised Dónal Óg Cusack over his RTÉ coverage of Cork's defeat to Galway, saying the former Cork goalkeeper's "mask slipped".

www.balls.ie

 

[bombdiggity]

It's hard to put words on how bereft the performance was on Saturday.
You can weigh lots of things up.
Talk about big picture.
Small pictures.
Structures.
Selection.
Leadership.
Tactics.
Management.
The support.
The hype.
The referees.


All of those things play a part no doubt.

When you lose badly, again, all of these things are scramble points and excuses.

Sport in general is about character and personality. We lack both.
Developing that isn't straightforward.

 

[Charley Sheen]

it was that bad, ww were doing ok for 25 minutes, alot of goid ball hit into Hayes but the few minutes before and after half time changed the game, Galway pushed upon us and we had no answers, Halway were hungrier, better coached and more focused, it was hard watching it back

Barrett is another problem, no physicality and can’t win puckouts as 11, that’s a huge issue.

He looks fine in a loose game where he can get on to a few passes and get his 3 or 4 points. But he gets blown out of it in the physical stuff.

 

[Hurlywurly]

When you lose badly, again, all of these things are scramble points and excuses.

Sport in general is about character and personality. We lack both.
Developing that isn't straightforward.

That's kinda the resentful hurler on the ditch take - moralizing a technical problem.

Tactics determine probability.
If the MODs of this world break you with the tactical set-up, and their players are drilled for weeks to execute the plan - you're probably gonna lose.
Regardless of how much "grit" lads have If they're only drilled to play their usual game versus a system that's set-up specifically to stop it, they're set-up to lose.
Unless our AvB involved setting up a 13 man blanket defence and playing against it lads were only prepped "on paper" for the reality.

Character is a constant, every Cork player on that pitch has sacrificed years of normal life to be there, putting their bodies to the absolute limit. Fitzy had an apendectomy just 6 weeks ago ffs - the work to get himself back in condition in that timeframe takes extreme discipline. This team showed what you'calling "character" coming back from the dead to beat Limerick, possibly the greatest team ever in RR in 2024, beating them again in CP. It wasn't just character though - PR and co came up with a new set-up and tactics that caught the Limerick machine off guard.
Lads showed "character" in the resilience and application to come back from the AI last year to win every game in the RR in Munster, something that nobody else has done bar Tipp.
To suggest that lads lose their fundamental human personality during a 70-minute defeat on a Saturday is just pure nonsense.

There's a lot of soul searching and deep deep analysis to be done between now and next season.
Clearly more than one thing went wrong in both our prep and our execution in the biggest game of the year.
The management and team will need to be brutally honest with themselves to get to the roots of it.
I personally believe that the fact that our baseline is good enough and consistent enough to get us to the latter stages is the biggest challenge.
We're getting a lot right, so for that reason, to date, it looks like management and players are possibly overly cautious about changing things - focus has been on tweaking.
100% don't think anything needs to be dismantled but honest, data driven and objective analysis will surely surface where some key and hard changes will need to be made.
I say it often: we need the right changes for the right reasons, just hoping that the people making the decisions are cool minded and have a clear, strong vision for the identity of the team.

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[Consie]

That's kinda the resentful hurler on the ditch take - moralizing a technical problem.

Tactics determine probability.
If the MODs of this world break you with the tactical set-up, and their players are drilled for weeks to execute the plan - you're probably gonna lose.
Regardless of how much "grit" lads have If they're only drilled to play their usual game versus a system that's set-up specifically to stop it, they're set-up to lose.
Unless our AvB involved setting up a 13 man blanket defence and playing against it lads were only prepped "on paper" for the reality.

Character is a constant, every Cork player on that pitch has sacrificed years of normal life to be there, putting their bodies to the absolute limit. Fitzy had an apendectomy just 6 weeks ago ffs - the work to get himself back in condition in that timeframe takes extreme discipline. This team showed what you'calling "character" coming back from the dead to beat Limerick, possibly the greatest team ever in RR in 2024, beating them again in CP. It wasn't just character though - PR and co came up with a new set-up and tactics that caught the Limerick machine off guard.
Lads showed "character" in the resilience and application to come back from the AI last year to win every game in the RR in Munster, something that nobody else has done bar Tipp.
To suggest that lads lose their fundamental human personality during a 70-minute defeat on a Saturday is just pure nonsense.

There's a lot of soul searching and deep deep analysis to be done between now and next season.
Clearly more than one thing went wrong in both our prep and our execution in the biggest game of the year.
The management and team will need to be brutally honest with themselves to get to the roots of it.
I personally believe that the fact that our baseline is good enough and consistent enough to get us to the latter stages is the biggest challenge.
We're getting a lot right, so for that reason, to date, it looks like management and players are possibly overly cautious about changing things - focus has been on tweaking.
100% don't think anything needs to be dismantled but honest, data driven and objective analysis will surely surface where some key and hard changes will need to be made.
I say it often: we need the right changes for the right reasons, just hoping that the people making the decisions are cool minded and have a clear, strong vision for the identity of the team.

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Concerning for Ben to say he did not see that coming on Saturday. We were not prepared and knew what to expect. I think Clare or Limerick would have beaten us. Can we adapt our game sufficiently and get out of Munster next year with a new set up? We may not face the hitherto insurmountable defensive tactics in Munster but we cannot risk getting caught again in Croker. It will be a long winter.

 

[red&blue]

Barrett is another problem, no physicality and can’t win puckouts as 11, that’s a huge issue.

i agree but the whole half foward line was the same. Id have high hopes Duds can turn into a ball winner but how if all we are doing is running around trying to look clever?

He looks fine in a loose game where he can get on to a few passes and get his 3 or 4 points. But he gets blown out of it in the physical stuff.

Unfortunately i can remember thinking the same thing to myself during the game last week