Cork Hurlers - Part 2

[Corkfan82]

StoneHouse

I also find it hard to believe, to me it's like trying to draw talent like drawing out of a lucky bag although if they go that road immigrant's method makes some sense.

Corkfan82 and KolaKubes

The issue regarding Jack O'Connor is that there aren't many real corner-forwards available with Hoggy gone if Power isn't fully right so the new management may be leaning towards including the likes of Jack and Robbie.

I get your point but we dont always have to play 3 in the FF line.

If we're playing teams like Tipp who take short puck outs, yeah let play a 3 man ff line, play Brian Roche corner forward were his tackling is excellent leading to goals for us and a failed tactic for them.

If playing more direct teams, play Dalton FF.

Otherwise as others have said, drop a corner forward back, give our defence a break, not every game has to be a shoot out.

 

[Hurlywurly]

Anyone receive the mail notifying of the option to renew season tickets?
Haven't got one yet.

 

[Mickyd]

Anyone receive the mail notifying of the option to renew season tickets?
Haven't got one yet.

Nothing yet

 

[Matlock]

Anyone receive the mail notifying of the option to renew season tickets?
Haven't got one yet.

Nope

 

[KolaKubes]

I get your point but we dont always have to play 3 in the FF line.

If we're playing teams like Tipp who take short puck outs, yeah let play a 3 man ff line, play Brian Roche corner forward were his tackling is excellent leading to goals for us and a failed tactic for them.

If playing more direct teams, play Dalton FF.

Otherwise as others have said, drop a corner forward back, give our defence a break, not every game has to be a shoot out.

You can press with a two man full forward line. Tipp did it against us, splitting the three and trying to encourage us to give the ball to SOD as he was seen as the weakest distributor presumably. They did it quite well I thought.

Conversely Cork had three in the FF line pressing up on Tipp but really doing nothing more than waving at them or giving stupid fouls.

Even if we went with the two, Dalton and Hayes as I favour, you could make an argument that different players do the press?

Maybe those two go stand in between the full back and centre back, concede the space at corner back and we’ve the wing forwards do the press safe in the knowledge that there’s extra bodies covering behind them?

Tbh I think that’s what Tipp were doing.

A lot of the time conditions aren’t great and a corner back given space is just hit and hope in on top of well marked forwards. Then we blame the lads inside for not winning it etc.

JOC could be an option if you can find space for him. One of those he might be useful in. He’s got pace and doggedness. I don’t think a traditional half forward slot would suit, he’s too light, they’ll just rugby tackle him even if he gets past a corner back, but the sort of thing I’m talking about, maybe he’s an option.

I just think guys like Roche have to come into it and there are lads playing further back the field that need replacing with actual defenders that I think will come into the mix up there as well. Coleman, O’Mahony, Fitzgibbon I’d see further forward than they are now.

I don’t think we should be discounting anyone right now. Even what I’m talking about, you need a bomb squad of forwards coming on because they’ll be asked to do more running.

 

[Corkonian1]

I get your point but we dont always have to play 3 in the FF line.

If we're playing teams like Tipp who take short puck outs, yeah let play a 3 man ff line, play Brian Roche corner forward were his tackling is excellent leading to goals for us and a failed tactic for them.

If playing more direct teams, play Dalton FF.

Otherwise as others have said, drop a corner forward back, give our defence a break, not every game has to be a shoot out.

I agree but I think 'always' is the key word here, to score what Cork have been scoring I believe they need a 3 man ff line, however can they adapt to a 2 man against certain opposition or during matches is doubtful but if they can Brian Roche is key. If Roche is corner-forward he will be mainly tackling the corner-back but he will also be required to score heavily enough which is difficult to see at this point but if he's selected corner-forward and actually playing out-field which is the most likely way he'll be played under Ben then his tackling and work rate should see him come to the fore to Cork's benefit. I don't see him as a natural corner-forward or a savior but effective because of his workrate and tackling in certain games.

Likewise I don't see Deccie Dalton as a natural full-forward, Dalton doesn't have a sharp turn and he's not dominant in the air for a big man, he relies on breaking ball or others creating movement. It's disappointing Cork don't have a forward who can dominate an opponent in the air when one considers the attack is the strong area of the team.

Not every game has to be a shoot out but the bread and butter of defending needs to be in defence rather than relying on a forward to give the backs a break. Likewise in attack Cork will need a better aerial threat which is one reason why I'd move Tim O'Mahony up field, if Brian Hayes, Dalton or Connolly could bring fetching to their game we'd see a real improvement.

In stating the above I believe Ben will agree with you more than me and we will see a pulling players back set-up attempting to crowd opponents and then break fast when in possession which will mean the speedsters will dominate the selection when they take to grass by next April. Who knows, with Ben more likely to talk up to the hierarchy more so than Pat Ryan on the riding Cork are receiving from establishment and officials along with this method of playing we may eventually get over the line and see the holy grail but I doubt it will be in 2026.

 

[Jon Hurling]

I really hope John Horgan has a profile on PROC. John if you are reading this give up on the articles in de echo please.

 

[BlueMagic]

I agree but I think 'always' is the key word here, to score what Cork have been scoring I believe they need a 3 man ff line, however can they adapt to a 2 man against certain opposition or during matches is doubtful but if they can Brian Roche is key. If Roche is corner-forward he will be mainly tackling the corner-back but he will also be required to score heavily enough which is difficult to see at this point but if he's selected corner-forward and actually playing out-field which is the most likely way he'll be played under Ben then his tackling and work rate should see him come to the fore to Cork's benefit. I don't see him as a natural corner-forward or a savior but effective because of his workrate and tackling in certain games.

Likewise I don't see Deccie Dalton as a natural full-forward, Dalton doesn't have a sharp turn and he's not dominant in the air for a big man, he relies on breaking ball or others creating movement. It's disappointing Cork don't have a forward who can dominate an opponent in the air when one considers the attack is the strong area of the team.

Not every game has to be a shoot out but the bread and butter of defending needs to be in defence rather than relying on a forward to give the backs a break. Likewise in attack Cork will need a better aerial threat which is one reason why I'd move Tim O'Mahony up field, if Brian Hayes, Dalton or Connolly could bring fetching to their game we'd see a real improvement.

In stating the above I believe Ben will agree with you more than me and we will see a pulling players back set-up attempting to crowd opponents and then break fast when in possession which will mean the speedsters will dominate the selection when they take to grass by next April. Who knows, with Ben more likely to talk up to the hierarchy more so than Pat Ryan on the riding Cork are receiving from establishment and officials along with this method of playing we may eventually get over the line and see the holy grail but I doubt it will be in 2026.

"Dalton doesn't have a sharp turn and he's not dominant in the air for a big man, he relies on breaking ball or others creating movement"

If you believe all this to be true about any player (not just Dalton), then need to consider if he needs to be moved on. We've suffered enough by carrying too many forwards in the last 20 years who need the ball given to them...

N.B. Not having a pop off Hoggy - man was a genius and an outlier.

 

[jimmycooper]

"Dalton doesn't have a sharp turn and he's not dominant in the air for a big man, he relies on breaking ball or others creating movement"

If you believe all this to be true about any player (not just Dalton), then need to consider if he needs to be moved on. We've suffered enough by carrying too many forwards in the last 20 years who need the ball given to them...

N.B. Not having a pop off Hoggy - man was a genius and an outlier.

Would they not try Dalton in goals?

 

[KolaKubes]

"Dalton doesn't have a sharp turn and he's not dominant in the air for a big man, he relies on breaking ball or others creating movement"

If you believe all this to be true about any player (not just Dalton), then need to consider if he needs to be moved on. We've suffered enough by carrying too many forwards in the last 20 years who need the ball given to them...

N.B. Not having a pop off Hoggy - man was a genius and an outlier.

Dalton wouldn’t be questioned in any other county. Some of the lads seriously being suggested and we’d drop one of our few genuine intercounty forwards, able to field ball, hold off a marker, hook and block, score from distance.

I do suspect he’s one of the lads that nerves get to and wouldn’t blame him with people putting the boot in on the guy. But the same standards were applied to other stars.