Cork Footballers

[omar]

The biggest issue I'd have with Cleary staying on is that the current management have failed to improve or rectify the most glaring faults in the team over an extended period of time.

A one dimensional kickout strategy thats limited imo by the choice of keeper. Martin is a very good goalkeeper (no doubting his commitment) but I think even his biggest fans can acknowledge he struggles with short/medium placement on his KOs.

Very poor conversion rate on goal chances. An ongoing issue that has cost us games imo.

Also in terms of forwards they seem to have struggled to bring through or properly manage enough lads who have a bit of swagger or x factor about them.

You can say lads walked away and that's correct, but id be looking for my manager to manage them more effectively.

That said Cleary steadied the ship, has us extremely competitive and the lads playing are dying with their boots on for Cork. That can't be overlooked or sniffed at.

Its a huge decision for the board. I wouldn't fancy making it tbh.

 

[Rizzlas Please Boss]

I really don’t think we’re far off, we’ve shown we can put it up to and beat the top teams, it’s just a matter of being able to do it consistently. We have a nice blend of youth and experience so there’s no reason why this team can’t take the positives from this year and drive on.

I do think the addition of Steven Sherlock would be the difference with his long range kicking and I would also have a look at White from Clon back in goal. Blake Murphy and Dano Dineen also honourable mentions. It would be interesting to see if a change in management would entice such players back into the set up.

On a side note, I think our motm was the 3 young lads just behind the goal on the hill going baloobas after Chrisog Jones rifled that goal in.

West Cork brigade at it again looking out for their own fellas and especially Clon for some reason. I agree with you in that Sherlock should be in this setup and new management will surely give him a proper looking to.

Blake Murphy’s a great player but has his time come and gone. He’s still putting up great scores for Vincent’s with probably half coming from frees. Sherlock would be our free taker if he comes back into the fold but I agree with BM getting a run.

I would have to back you up on the 3 lads on the hill. Really brought a funny side to the seriousness that Cork footballers are facing right now.

 

[bluesball]

I would have beene in the camp of get rid of J Cleary during the league but in hindsight and talking to a few lads i would meet at away games is the devil we know better than any other unless we go outside of Cork and attract a proven winner. J Cs backroom team are good but what we do need is a forwards coach.I farness ti Cleary he found Brady,Lordan,walsh and o Donnell this year and another thing i would hope for is that we avoid serious injuries next season especially those just recovering fron injury.

 

[The truth seeker]

It's a huge commitment, and surely even harder with nephews in the fray (and hard on them too).

We're probably in a minority here, but I hope he wants to go again. He and his management team have my appreciation and thanks either way.

Id be the same.

We're by no means an easy team to get past now.

But for a few very questionable calls this years we could have been in a Munster final and beaten the Dubs in headquarters.

I thought the side showed tremendous character on Saturday and that's a testament to the manager.

I hate to single fellas out but Martins kickouts are killing us. A new keeper has to be a priority for the league campaign.

 

[bluesball]

The 2 pointer Dublin scores at the end of the first half imho cost us the game.

 

[Johnny1]

Id be the same.

We're by no means an easy team to get past now.

But for a few very questionable calls this years we could have been in a Munster final and beaten the Dubs in headquarters.

I thought the side showed tremendous character on Saturday and that's a testament to the manager.

I hate to single fellas out but Martins kickouts are killing us. A new keeper has to be a priority for the league campaign.

I completely understand your point but can you find me a better keeper in the county? The kickout strategy all year has been those 50/50 ones and sometimes they work , sometimes they don’t. I put a lot of that blame on the coaches. I think I read that Dublin had 20 kickouts and won 18 of those. That’s a more worrying star IMO as I can’t remember any of them going short. Overall not sure Cork could have done much more at the weekend , just lost to the better team and certain calls went against us at crucial times.

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

Well it depends on how you count "chances", but I think that Dublin only creating 40% more chances than Cork after winning 100% more kickouts than Cork, and indeed 100% more frees than Cork (I just now checked), means that Cork's transition and attack was significantly better than Dublin's on the day. The problem was not gaining primary possession.

That’s not correct. Dublin won more possession from kickouts, but just fractionally more overall as Cork obliterated them on turnovers.
Since I started following the stats in detail about 14 years ago this is the first time I recall seeing a side lose a match after dominating turnovers.

I’ve said here countless times over the last couple of years and I say again Cork are as good as any side in the country, bar the attacking play & shot conversion. Good coach would fix that.
The football we played on Saturday was old school. That’s the style that stops you getting hammered but also stops you winning any tight games. It will provide moral victories but you’ll actually win Fock all with it.

 

[El Guapo]

That’s not correct. Dublin won more possession from kickouts, but just fractionally more overall as Cork obliterated them on turnovers.
Since I started following the stats in detail about 14 years ago this is the first time I recall seeing a side lose a match after dominating turnovers.

I’ve said here countless times over the last couple of years and I say again Cork are as good as any side in the country, bar the attacking play & shot conversion. Good coach would fix that.
The football we played on Saturday was old school. That’s the style that stops you getting hammered but also stops you winning any tight games. It will provide moral victories but you’ll actually win Fock all with it.

Where do you get your stats from? Dontfoul used to be great but he stopped posting and the tactics not passion fella was a total spoofer and had moved onto Euro hoops

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

Where do you get your stats from? Dontfoul used to be great but he stopped posting and the tactics not passion fella was a total spoofer and had moved onto Euro hoops

Dontfoul was absolutely sensational. A genius really. I follow a few different channels.
Matt Hurley the Southern Star Journalist is Gaelic Statsman on X. He is excellent for the raw stats puts them up at half time and full time.
He gives all the usual stuff as well as detailed visuals on shot conversion, turnovers and kickouts.. see below.
I follow a few other stats guys too. Some have worked at inter county level.. They all have their own take on things too.

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

Where do you get your stats from? Dontfoul used to be great but he stopped posting and the tactics not passion fella was a total spoofer and had moved onto Euro hoops

Here are a few you might not have heard of:
1) Matt Hurley
2) Stephen O Meara ex stats man with Dublin and Galway was very good until the new rules came in- he is totally against them and thinks he should have been put on the committee by Jim Gavin. He is preoccupied now with knocking the new rules.
3) Performa Sports
4) Stats and Solos- more high level
5) Gaelic stats app

As they come up in my fyp page over the next week I’ll write pull together a full list and send it on to you. I’ve a few good podcasts too that make for excellent midweek fodder.
They all had to change their names 2 months ago because the GAA sent everyone solicitors letters telling them cease and desist using anything like Gaelic Football or GAA in their names as it was infringing copyright- I’m genuinely not joking.