Cork Footballers

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

would you please wake up? year after year we talk ourselves up that we will beat kerry, be logical for a minute, who do we have that can mark the 2 clifford’s and sean o sea?

D Clifford has in general been very well held by Cork over the years.

 

[peopleluas]

would you please wake up? year after year we talk ourselves up that we will beat kerry, be logical for a minute, who do we have that can mark the 2 clifford’s and sean o sea?

Kerry will certainly be favorites. However, we have a decent chance. Of the last few years' championship matches between the two:

• We won in the Pairc in 2020.
• We were hammered in Killarney in 2021.
• We were well beaten in PuR in 2022.
• We lost by 2 points in 2023, with complaints about the awarding of a Kerry penalty (though I consider it correctly awarded), and the ref too slow to dish cards to Kerry for slowing things down. Kerry hanging on for dear life at the end.
• We lost by 3 points in Killarney last year. And D Clifford was very well policed by his marker, most especially for most of the first half when Cork were playing without sweeper.

No doubt about it that Kerry will be favorites as usual.

As regards talking ourselves up year after year. I feel that we usually talk ourselves down. While such a lack of courage amongst supporters is very understandable, it's an unnecessary burden to carry on top of everything else. We were considered no hopers in 1983, 1987 (replay especially), and 2008 - but those wins were not achieved by Joe McGrath, Eamonn Ryan, Billy Morgan, and Conor Counihan ridiculing our chances - quite the opposite in fact.

 

[peopleluas]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846215756243259591

For Cork football supporters, this is of course disappointing. Kevin has been a great servant to Cork football, and there's a lot more in him. Of course there's more to life than football, and I wish him the very best in Australia, and in whatever he does in life going forward. Hopefully he'll be back, and hopefully inside the white lines playing for Cork again, and if not then outside the line supporting with the rest of us. Other players will step up too.

 

[Corkonian1]

peopleluas

Those Cork wins you refer were achieved on the back of serious underage talent coming through, 1983 slightly different as there were more older players who had shone beforehand. The standard of underage in Cork is now poor and there has been a waste of the Minor & U-20 AI winning talent from 2019.

Also the GAA hierarchy have Cork on a string as pay back for the strikes not to mind the debt. Both hurlers and footballers are going to have this problem for a long time and our county board, respective managements and supporters are unfortunately in denial mode. Whatever about Cork catching Kerry in Munster there is no hope of it in the AI series. A quarter-final is our lot in Croker for a very long time after coming through the qualifiers I'm afraid.

I would be more optimistic for the footballers if I saw John Cleary delve into attacking talent such as Rhys Coakley, Sean O' Foirreidh, Conor O'Callaghan, Eanna O'Hanlon, Sean McDonnell, Blake Murphy, Alan Walsh, Colin Walsh, Hugh O'Connor and Conor Daly as some of those players should be the future but can we see him show faith in any of those players now? There has to be a caution to the wind approach with flair and skill paramount to attract coaches to drill and young players to practice the bread and butter of the game such as foot passing and kicking skills.

 

[peopleluas]

peopleluas

Those Cork wins you refer were achieved on the back of serious underage talent coming through, 1983 slightly different as there were more older players who had shone beforehand. The standard of underage in Cork is now poor and there has been a waste of the Minor & U-20 AI winning talent from 2019.

Also the GAA hierarchy have Cork on a string as pay back for the strikes not to mind the debt. Both hurlers and footballers are going to have this problem for a long time and our county board, respective managements and supporters are unfortunately in denial mode. Whatever about Cork catching Kerry in Munster there is no hope of it in the AI series. A quarter-final is our lot in Croker for a very long time after coming through the qualifiers I'm afraid.

I would be more optimistic for the footballers if I saw John Cleary delve into attacking talent such as Rhys Coakley, Sean O' Foirreidh, Conor O'Callaghan, Eanna O'Hanlon, Sean McDonnell, Blake Murphy, Alan Walsh and Colin Walsh but can we see him show faith in any of those players? There has to be a caution to the wind approach with flair and skill paramount to attract coaches to drill and young players to practice the bread and butter of the game such as foot passing and kicking skills.

There's a lot in your post @Corkonian1. Without going through every point you make, I broadly agree that we have serious challenges and our encouragement and retention of talent coming through has been poor. There is however I believe a chicken and egg aspect to these things, in that pessimism and ridicule of hope (which I am not accusing you of at all) tends to discourage. I'm not suggesting irrational optimism because irrationality does not help either.

We have a big county with a very large number of footballers. Even with the challenges we have, we have the resources to be much more successful. That, and only adding optimism, certainly won't achieve anything. But without those things nothing will be achieved.

 

[CORK1990]

peopleluas

Those Cork wins you refer were achieved on the back of serious underage talent coming through, 1983 slightly different as there were more older players who had shone beforehand. The standard of underage in Cork is now poor and there has been a waste of the Minor & U-20 AI winning talent from 2019.

Also the GAA hierarchy have Cork on a string as pay back for the strikes not to mind the debt. Both hurlers and footballers are going to have this problem for a long time and our county board, respective managements and supporters are unfortunately in denial mode. Whatever about Cork catching Kerry in Munster there is no hope of it in the AI series. A quarter-final is our lot in Croker for a very long time after coming through the qualifiers I'm afraid.

I would be more optimistic for the footballers if I saw John Cleary delve into attacking talent such as Rhys Coakley, Sean O' Foirreidh, Conor O'Callaghan, Eanna O'Hanlon, Sean McDonnell, Blake Murphy, Alan Walsh, Colin Walsh, Hugh O'Connor and Conor Daly as some of those players should be the future but can we see him show faith in any of those players now? There has to be a caution to the wind approach with flair and skill paramount to attract coaches to drill and young players to practice the bread and butter of the game such as foot passing and kicking skills.

Each of those players you mention deserve a go.

 

[junior footballer]

The bottom line with the likely significant changes in the rules there is a real need for a new type of player in particular in the forwards to be looked at, a lot of the names mentioned by corkonian are worth a go, with the 2 point line and goals going to 4 points we can’t keep going with 3 midfielders/half backs in the forward line who can’t kick , cleary will get a good look up close at the new rules at that weekend I hope himself and Walsh are able to adapt, there is absolutely no doh t that gap between no 1 in division 1 and the third last team in division 2 has never been closer

 

[under study]

peopleluas

Those Cork wins you refer were achieved on the back of serious underage talent coming through, 1983 slightly different as there were more older players who had shone beforehand. The standard of underage in Cork is now poor and there has been a waste of the Minor & U-20 AI winning talent from 2019.

Also the GAA hierarchy have Cork on a string as pay back for the strikes not to mind the debt. Both hurlers and footballers are going to have this problem for a long time and our county board, respective managements and supporters are unfortunately in denial mode. Whatever about Cork catching Kerry in Munster there is no hope of it in the AI series. A quarter-final is our lot in Croker for a very long time after coming through the qualifiers I'm afraid.

I would be more optimistic for the footballers if I saw John Cleary delve into attacking talent such as Rhys Coakley, Sean O' Foirreidh, Conor O'Callaghan, Eanna O'Hanlon, Sean McDonnell, Blake Murphy, Alan Walsh, Colin Walsh, Hugh O'Connor and Conor Daly as some of those players should be the future but can we see him show faith in any of those players now? There has to be a caution to the wind approach with flair and skill paramount to attract coaches to drill and young players to practice the bread and butter of the game such as foot passing and kicking skills.

Hopefully the new rules will help us to be more progressive id love to see John Cleary give a chance to the more consistent natural proven finishing forwards in the senior championship for the past few years like obviously Brian Hurley Stephen Sherlock and Mark Cronin and also give Cian Dorgan Cathal O’Mahony Blake Murphy Michael Hurley a chance they have been consistent top performers for the past few years

 

[St fachtna]

If they are exclusively committing to football. A few there are dabbling with hurling at a high enough level as well

 

[Cranky Corner Forwar]

Each of those players you mention deserve a go.

They deserve a go yes but are they willing to commit to the lifestyle of an IC player that is the major question that needs answering