Cork Footballers

There was hurling league matches on the same day as Cork played Waterford
Yes there was. And newspapers reported that the executive had announced at a subsequent monthly county board meeting that this would not be the case going forward this year for both codes (or perhaps only in the case of knockout intercounty matches in both codes - I don't recall). Suspicious minds might suspect that the decision was primarily hurling-motivated, and that by announcing it as an executive decision rather than it being a decision of the full county committee (by proposal and show of hands or vote), the executive knew they remained free to dis-apply that decision in relation to the intercounty football team. Which they did.

Now of course there are all sorts of difficulties fitting club games into the calendar. And arguments can be made that there are cases where unequal treatment is appropriate. But that was not equal treatment. And football folks are so used to unequality that they have become resigned to it, and indeed often don't even notice it (that is the biggest problem).
 
Football can become popular for supporters to follow again buy a huge amount needs to happen around the rules


The game is absolutely shite to watch.
It's horrendous stuff.
Mundane.
Boring.
Slow.
Pedestrian in pace.
Safety first.
No physical contact.
Orgy of handpassing
Lack of risk.
Defensive shite..

Huge change is required.
If we get it football can become a very good game to watch and play again.
Yes, this is a major overall problem - the lack of continual contest. I often look back at intercounty matches from the 00s and before hand - every game, unless it is a hammering, is all action stuff with massive crowd involvement - highly entertaining.

Unfortunately, in a democratic organization such as the GAA (or the country), disasters are very difficult to avoid - because it is almost impossible to get enough support to make the changes to avoid the disaster until after the disaster occurs and people regret not having made the changes to avoid it. And then there are too many changes. It would be better if the GAA continually tinkered with rules, i.e. changing one rule a small bit every time, seeing the consequences, and then changing again - in a never ending process. But no, we have to suffer the disaster first.

Hopefully changes will be made, and will be effective. But I worry - as somebody once said (translated):
"It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them."
 
Football can become popular for supporters to follow again buy a huge amount needs to happen around the rules


The game is absolutely shite to watch.
It's horrendous stuff.
Mundane.
Boring.
Slow.
Pedestrian in pace.
Safety first.
No physical contact.
Orgy of handpassing
Lack of risk.
Defensive shite..

Huge change is required.
If we get it football can become a very good game to watch and play again.
IMHO at the intercounty level at least Ladies football is actually a superior game in terms of entertainment now and to be honest I don’t think it’s even that close.

Was at both all Ireland finals last year. The ladies game last year was a much better spectacle than the mens. No boring lateral passing, conservative tactics, less emphasis on power and more on attacking play, skill and vision. People talk about David Clifford a lot and rightly so he’s a superb player, but in relative terms Aimee Mackin is as good as him.

Mens football is a cranky game now with fighting and sledging and bitterness. The players are angry and frustrated as are the spectators. The only people who seem to be enjoying it a lot of the time are the coaches.
 
IMHO at the intercounty level at least Ladies football is actually a superior game in terms of entertainment now and to be honest I don’t think it’s even that close.

Was at both all Ireland finals last year. The ladies game last year was a much better spectacle than the mens. No boring lateral passing, conservative tactics, less emphasis on power and more on attacking play, skill and vision. People talk about David Clifford a lot and rightly so he’s a superb player, but in relative terms Aimee Mackin is as good as him.

Mens football is a cranky game now with fighting and sledging and bitterness. The players are angry and frustrated as are the spectators. The only people who seem to be enjoying it a lot of the time are the coaches.
Agreed. I think some of the factors are that
  1. Women don't run quite as fast and so it is more difficult for them to cover all the space defensively.
  2. In LGFA, the kicker of the ball is given more protection under the application of the rules (if we actually applied the rule we have in the men's game in that regard it would help the men's game).
 
They should consider banning the hand pass for a trial period - say, in next year's league. It would be interesting to see the effect.

Players would have to learn how to kick the ball accurately again. It would come as an awful shock to many of them.
 
They should consider banning the hand pass for a trial period - say, in next year's league. It would be interesting to see the effect.

Players would have to learn how to kick the ball accurately again. It would come as an awful shock to many of them.
Sounds drastic but it's probably the only solution. You could water it down slightly to one handpass then one kick. A bit like the solo-ing rule(1 bounce then once off the foot)
 
Currently football is like the inverse of rugby. Teams play it forward with the hand and backwards with the kick. That needs to be addressed somehow.

It’ll be interesting to see what Jim Gavin’s group come up with. Just going back to ladies football one rule id bring in from the LGFA is the pick up. Picking up off the toe just slows the game down. It’s no real skill and serves no purpose other than giving defenders an extra second to crowd the player in possession.
 
Sounds drastic but it's probably the only solution. You could water it down slightly to one handpass then one kick. A bit like the solo-ing rule(1 bounce then once off the foot)

In general, I think placing restrictions on the attacking team would have the unintended consequence of making it even more difficult to attack and making the bus-parking strategy even more effective and thus encouraging bus-parking even more. In general, to improve things, the restrictions have to be placed on the defending team, and the difficulty for the attacking team has to be reduced and/or the rewards for the attacking team have to be increased.

I.e. if we don't like what the attacking team is doing, then we should look at
  • what the defending team is doing to cause that - and restrict the defending team in that regard.
  • better rewarding the attacking team for what we want them to be doing instead.
 
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